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As a sound provider I do see a big difference between bass and guitar players as the latter often have another guitarist in the band to relate to. While I can hold my own in a conversation with the other band members about their equipment, bass players really open up to me as a fellow player. I live close enough to NYC that I occasionally have some of the older studio/ex-touring players to talk to on a gig. I'm kinda glad I'm too old to have any delusions of "making it" as I see these stellar players working for little more than gas money - just for the love of playing. It's pretty mind blowing to be treated as a peer by someone who's played Jaco's fretless :eek: .
 
Tom, I have to comment on this because almost the exact same thing happened to me. My fiance had adopted a feral cat that was almost 13 years old when I moved in with her. She was not a friendly cat and would not let you pet her. After about a year or so, she started taking naps with me. She would lie next to me and I could rest my hand on her haunches, though I wasn't allowed to pet her. I never slept during these naps because I was terrified she would claw me for no reason. I've never been much of a cat person so I got angry when, for some reason, she started throwing up under the bed. I figured she was mad at being ignored or something and started to resent her. We would still nap together but I would spray her with water if she started retching. When we finally took her to the vet for a (long ignored) skin lesion, we found that she had colon cancer and had to be put down. That was why she was vomiting. I'm still angry at myself for blaming her for something she couldn't help.

The next day, after her passing, when I lay down for a nap, I felt her walk over me and lie next to me. I hope that means that she forgave me for being a selfish idiot. Your words above where the exact ones that I use when I think about her passing... she did not die in fear. For some reason, that is very important to me. Pardon me, I'm crying to much to type right now...
Although people reading this might think it doesn't tie in to the topic of the thread, it does, because my memoir will be all about ghosts, loss, and how one's fears and anger inhibit one's actions.

Your story perfectly illustrates the arc of my memoir, for which I've already created a chapter-by-chapter outline. My memoir will be about being released by the ghosts that haunt us. That release can only come about when we achieve the proper mindset to receive the messages that are constantly passed along to us by the people in our lives, the animals, maybe even God.

I was speaking to my brother just yesterday about our cat Syd. Even though we miss him, what we took from knowing him was his phenomenal character. He tried so hard to be a good cat! He was terrified of fireworks, so we think people shot bottle rockets at him when he was a kitten. On Independence day, we had to lock him in the house and spend the day talking quietly to him as he tried to find various hiding places that would shut out the explosions. He was so young it was his first July 4, so he must've thought the world was coming to an end.

He was also terrified of boxes. We've since learned that a favorite game in a certain unnamed culture is to put a cat in a cardboard box and then play soccer with it.

Syd's character came through in the end, and he overcame his demons. He was a good cat, a little black shooting star who came in and out of our lives in a flash, but like a shooting star in the night sky, you always remember its rarity and beauty. He helped me deal with my own demons, and maybe that's why he showed up here in the first place.

The joy he gave me outweighs the sadness I feel at his passing. And after he died, I think he fought as hard as he could--the way he fought all his enemies, real and imagined--to let us know that he was all right. My brother also saw him sitting in the garden for just a second, calm and happy, his tail switching.

The joy I feel at having had the privilege of working as a music journalist now outweighs the rage and sadness I felt when it stopped. That's progress!
 
I just spend most of my shift at work reading the first 28 pages (!) of this thread. Nothing here has hooked me like this since the GeneralElectric gift-bass thread from a couple years ago. please don`t take this the wrong way, Tom, but this has been akin to spending an evening with one`s grandfather, listening intently to tales from another time, another place. And I mean this as a great compliment, as I never knew either of my grandfathers. Now, I have 90 minutes to catch up on a 12hr shift`s worth of work !
No offense taken. Climb up on my knee, sonny, and let grandpa relate another story of the olden days, by crackee!

This is my favorite part of my interview with Arthur Barrow:

"I went from the Zappa avanti end of the spectrum to a complete change of direction, working for Giorgio Moroder, the disco producer. Hooked up with him for a while and worked on a whole bunch of stuff with him. Learned a lot from him, too. Learned a lot about making records, making pop records, and what's important, what isn't important, and played bass on a whole bunch of his stuff. In fact, I think I have a fretless bass solo in either Scarface or Metropolis, one of the two movies he did [Editorial comment from Tom: I remember hearing fretless bass in Scarface but not Metropolis.] 

And that was a great time because I was just working all the time. Every day in the studio, just doing stuff. It was really a lot of fun.

"His way of producing was really kind of funny. He'd come in at like two o'clock in the afternoon and say he needed to write some songs for this project, for this movie, for this album, whatever. So he'd go in there and say, 'Give me a little drum. Give me a little Latin beat.' So we'd program a little drum machine beat, get it set up in the headphones, and he'd sit there at his piano with a microphone and try and compose for a while. He go in there for twenty, thirty minutes, and he'd come out and say, 'Ah, nothing today, boys. Go home.'

"Or he'd say, 'Okay! I got a new song!' And he'd bring us in, and he'd have the song, and he'd play the song, and he would just have sung nonsense lyrics, but he'd have some kind of melody and chords to go with the beat, and he'd say, 'Okay, boys, we need a bass there, a trigger bass synthesizer, digga-digga-digga, and we need a little funk bass here, poing-doong-poketta-kak, a little thumb-slap, and on the guitar, we need a little funk guitar in the verse and heavy power chords in the chorus, and give me some big drum fills, and into the bridge, give me some synthesizer bubbles, bup-pup-pup-pup, and then some beautiful strings at the end, and I have to go. I have a date with a centerfold tonight. So work on it, send me a tape, and I'll talk to you in the morning.' And he'd split.

"So the first thing I'd do would be to sit down and write out a chord chart or a bar chart for it so we'd know where we're at. And just start overdubbing stuff. It was a lot of fun. We were under a lot of time pressure all the time. There were all these deadlines, especially working on these movies. We'd be working on something, and Giorgio would poke his head in the door and say, 'Well, let me hear what you've got.' And then, 'That's all you've done? Boys, we're rushing! We're rushing! Come on!'

"There was an engineer, Brian Reeves, I worked with a lot. This is also before MIDI, before sequencing. We played the stuff by hand. We would hit a trigger with little pulse things that would trigger bass parts, arpeggio parts. We were actually playing them as keyboard parts. So we'd get into a little contest with Brian and whoever was playing bass or keyboards or what, and we'd see what was the least amount he could rewind the tape and hit PLAY, and know where we are, and punch in and hit RECORD to pick it up."
 
These cat stories are hard to read having had a cat of 19 years die last year. I knew she wasn't gonna make it that night and got to say goodbye. But man it was awful. I remember her eyes with tears in them, like a person would have very vividly. But when its time you just accept it. It was suspringly hard, like losing a person. Funny how we get attached to animals.
 
Sorry for the hijack.

Tom, I know this thread is not about me but I wanted to let you know that I feel we are very much alike in many ways. I lived in China for two years so I understand what you mean about suddenly becoming desirable to hordes of beautiful women that would ignore you back home. I unwittingly destroyed a young woman's life because she fell "in love" with me (but that's another story). I also understand your losses. For the last 12 years I have been dealing with a disease that has killed most of my dreams to the point that, most days, I can't wait for the whole pointless thing to be over with.

I won't derail things further. I just wanted to let you know that I'm glad you are writing your memoirs. I hope that my life will one day mirror yours and that I will reach a place of peace and happiness. What you are doing is important. Godspeed.
Drop me a PM and tell me about your situation. Whatever you want to share.

The weirdest thing about Japan was their love of the bass, especially electric bass, and especially slapping. The hottest thing in the world for Japanese was a Japanese woman slapping the bass while being cute and girlie and wearing sexy outfits.

Watch this, but in the spirit of generosity I'll issue the following warning, because I hate being punked, and I hate being the object of practical jokes, and I hate when people point at me and go "Gotcha! Haw!": DO NOT BE FOOLED. THIS VIDEO IS NOT WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE.

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As a sound provider I do see a big difference between bass and guitar players as the latter often have another guitarist in the band to relate to. While I can hold my own in a conversation with the other band members about their equipment, bass players really open up to me as a fellow player. I live close enough to NYC that I occasionally have some of the older studio/ex-touring players to talk to on a gig. I'm kinda glad I'm too old to have any delusions of "making it" as I see these stellar players working for little more than gas money - just for the love of playing. It's pretty mind blowing to be treated as a peer by someone who's played Jaco's fretless :eek: .
My conclusion after all is said and done?

"Making it" is not worth it. The money is great, but then you need security. Millions of strangers pursue you, thinking you're speaking directly to them and they get angry when you can't respond personally to all of them. You have to tour incessantly. You have to deal with some of the most horrific people on the face of the earth, with the possible exception of al Qaeda. You have unimaginable temptations thrown in your face daily.

And worst of all, western culture is addicted to building people up and then tearing them down. They make you a star and then turn right around and say, "Who the hell do you think you are?" The same people who once loved you now mock you when you fall on hard times and enjoy your suffering.

A surprisingly good movie about it is Rock Star, with Mark Wahlberg. The ending is a little schmaltzy, but it'll still choke you up, even though the music the protagonist always had in his heart of hearts is a little too precious and aging-boy-earnest-and-introspective for my tastes. It's a domineering woman's view of what a man should be, and that always leads to trouble.

My ideal would be to invent a new kind of stardom, in which musicians could simply ply their craft and be left alone by their fans, and the vultures, jackals, and predators wouldn't take advantage of them, and the merciless machine of the Industry wouldn't chew them up and discard them in an utterly heartless way.

Maybe it'll still happen. The current business model is almost dead, so it'll have to adapt or go extinct. The problem is that a lot of people in the Industry are genuinely bad people who enjoy the corruption and destruction they wreak. You can't engage them on the terms you think you can, because like al Qaeda, they don't think they're doing anything wrong.
 
After giving it a lot of thought, I've decided to do something purely as an academic exercise and to demonstrate to everyone here just how utterly hot you all are, on every level. Please don't misunderstand my point in posting this: I'm doing so to show you the contrast between the bass world and the world of military history.

I'm also doing it to prove to you how open minded, receptive, and considerate you all are. This is honestly not an attempt to garner sympathy. I've moved beyond the rage I felt even a month ago at how my work in the military-history field has been ignored. All my energies are now going into writing the best music-journalism memoir ever, and I'm doing it for you, to prove that you were right in persuading me to do it. I will justify your faith in me.

The past is the past, and my work in the military-history field will stand on its own. I've written everything I want to in that field for now, and soon I hope to have a Web site and Facebook account promoting my trilogy of books. And then I'll let it go.

This is the premier World War One discussion forum in the world. This thread neatly represents how my work in this field has been received. I'm posting this only to provide the context of my years trapped in a vortex of rage. My problem was I took it personally, and there's nothing personal in this. I don't mean I took it personally in the sense that nobody was kissing my butt for being just so special and that angered me; I mean that I was personally affronted that factual, real, important contributions to the body of knowledge in the field of military history had been nearly universally ignored.

My years of labor, done entirely at my own time and expense, didn't even merit an acknowledgement. It just seemed like the biggest failure of all, the loudest horse-laugh of derision that I'd experienced yet.

Do me a favor and don't register there to make comments on that thread. Don't send them any messages. I'm not posting this out of animosity toward the military-history community.

I just want you to contrast yourselves with them and see how utterly exceptional you all are. And I don't mean you're exceptional because you've responded to me; I mean you're exceptional in that you've responded to unorthodox ideas with neither hostility nor indifference. You just like being entertained and you appreciate learning new things. That says a lot about you. It's rare, so bravo! Take a bow.

I'm Tom W. in that virtually private thread, in case it wasn't clear.

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Tom, I started reading this thread when it was just a few posts long. I've been amazed at how fast this thread grew, & am struggling to keep up reading it.

But the struggle is a labor of love in a sense as I have learned so much about the world & myself as I read what you have shared. The offerings of others here have taught me volumes as well.

It's so easy to feel alone in my own thoughts, feelings, failures, & shortcomings. I've watched opportunities I didn't properly prepare for slip (sometimes race) by me, knowing another opportunity like it will likely never arise again.

I've always dreamed big, and those dreams kept me alive through some dark times. My fears & lack of self confidence held me back when others likely would have charged forward, consequences be damned.

I wanted to be like that, but never learned how. Instead, I filled my life with mistakes, bad decisions, & broken dreams. The best thing to happen was meeting my wife. She is my soul mate, my better half, the love of my life.

We've been saddled with the sins of my past, & whatever random badness life wants to heap on us. She remains by my side, & is the strength that drives me most days.

All I really wanted to say Tom was thank you for sharing what you have. You have helped in ways I can't fully explain. I don't know how long this will go on for, but I hope you continue this thread for a while still.

I check every day, & am happy to see you're still writing here. I look forward to your memoirs, I will certainly be buying it, & will treasure reading every page I'm sure.

You give hope that no matter what life does to you, it is possible to rise above it & find peace & happiness again.

I didn't mean for this to be so long. So much of what you & others have written here resonates so deeply with me. I've lost a couple of dear pets in my life so far. I think it is their unconditional love for us that makes for such deep attachments.

And what makes the loss so great. Each has taught me so much. I don't know you or the others who have shared so much here, & yet I've learned so much from & through you.

I've kept my feelings of being a failure in life under wraps by immersing my thoughts in my dreams & keeping my focus as forward as I can. Bring married now means two people's lives hang in the balance now, not just mine anymore.

Thank you for sharing all you have. I will read it all & continue to look forward to what you write next.
 
Tom, I started reading this thread when it was just a few posts long. I've been amazed at how fast this thread grew, & am struggling to keep up reading it.

But the struggle is a labor of love in a sense as I have learned so much about the world & myself as I read what you have shared. The offerings of others here have taught me volumes as well.

It's so easy to feel alone in my own thoughts, feelings, failures, & shortcomings. I've watched opportunities I didn't properly prepare for slip (sometimes race) by me, knowing another opportunity like it will likely never arise again.

I've always dreamed big, and those dreams kept me alive through some dark times. My fears & lack of self confidence held me back when others likely would have charged forward, consequences be damned.

I wanted to be like that, but never learned how. Instead, I filled my life with mistakes, bad decisions, & broken dreams. The best thing to happen was meeting my wife. She is my soul mate, my better half, the love of my life.

We've been saddled with the sins of my past, & whatever random badness life wants to heap on us. She remains by my side, & is the strength that drives me most days.

All I really wanted to say Tom was thank you for sharing what you have. You have helped in ways I can't fully explain. I don't know how long this will go on for, but I hope you continue this thread for a while still.

I check every day, & am happy to see you're still writing here. I look forward to your memoirs, I will certainly be buying it, & will treasure reading every page I'm sure.

You give hope that no matter what life does to you, it is possible to rise above it & find peace & happiness again.

I didn't mean for this to be so long. So much of what you & others have written here resonates so deeply with me. I've lost a couple of dear pets in my life so far. I think it is their unconditional love for us that makes for such deep attachments.

And what makes the loss so great. Each has taught me so much. I don't know you or the others who have shared so much here, & yet I've learned so much from & through you.

I've kept my feelings of being a failure in life under wraps by immersing my thoughts in my dreams & keeping my focus as forward as I can. Bring married now means two people's lives hang in the balance now, not just mine anymore.

Thank you for sharing all you have. I will read it all & continue to look forward to what you write next.
What a great comment! Thank you very much.

You have the right approach: A support network will get you through the toughest periods. It's hard to charge ahead and reach for your dreams. It takes an incredible amount of self-confidence. At some point you will have to take the chance and have a professional evaluate your art, the way I did with the editor Jason S. Sitzes. He told me I have what it takes if I persevere. I forgot that for a while, but now I believe it again. So I'll try again, and we'll see what happens. Now, I have the proper mindset, and I won't give in to rage again, regardless what happens.

I can tell by your post that you're not in any meaningful way a failure. I met colossal failures who had millions upon millions of dollars, fame, and power.

An internationally famous creator of a hugely successful TV series that has become a permanent part of American culture said to me at a Zappa convention, "Do you know who I am?"

All I could think of was the fact that he was so obese that he had to wear pants with a 150-inch waist, and since he didn't want to let his massive paunch hang over the top of his pants and call attention to it with suspenders, he wore the top of his his pants right at waist level. They were dress pants, so they had a crease on the front of the legs.

The way dress pants are made, the crease goes all the way up to the belt line. Since the pants waist size was 150 inches, the pants legs were gigantic. His little legs must've been like broomsticks inside them. The bottom of the cuffed pants legs were of normal size, to accommodate normal-sized ankles.

The pants legs therefore were tapered: funnel shaped, I mean, massive at the top and small at the bottom, with a razor-sharp crease in front. Those creases were so distinct and the pants legs so huge they looked like two prows of oceans liners coming at me, and they made his shoes look tiny, as though his feet were bound in the ancient Chinese style.

He was a physical monstrosity, and an arrogant one at that. He was spending his fortune on fatty foods, and he liked to lord his fame and power over a struggling writer having absolutely no success selling even one copy of his little book.

Nobody on this thread is that kind of failure.
 
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You have me legitimately interested in flame throwers.
The guys who used them were not only brave, they actually saved lives.

What most of us know about flamethrowers stems from the newsreel footage of U.S. marines in World War II, burning the Japanese alive in their caves and bunkers. The Japanese were unique in that they never surrendered, no matter what.

In World War I, before the use of flamethrowers, you had to attack bunkers with grenades and explosives, killing everyone inside and taking massive casualties yourself.

Once there were flamethrowers, all you had to do was stand outside the bunker where the guys inside could see and spray one jet into the air, and they surrendered without a fight.

Here's a photo taken after an assault on August 9, 1918. The sign says "The stormers of Ronvaux." The guys with the skull badges on their cuffs are German flamethrower pioneers; two French prisoners are posing on either side of the man in the center. Everybody else is German, men of an assault battalion and an infantry-gun battery.

In this operation, the French surrendered when the flamethrower pioneers appeared, and then some of them posed for this photo. Nobody seems traumatized, and the French don't even seem embarrassed. They're like, "Whatdja expect? They had flamethrowers!"

It was more a psychological weapon than anything else, so that's why I'm fascinated by it. I love psychology.
 

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I'm going to have to buy your flamethrower books too. Incredibly interesting stuff.

After reading your thread in the other forum it's kind of shocking to me that they wouldn't even engage you. I mean if they want to disagree fine, go for it, it's healthy to have a little good natured debate. These guys turned on their collective, intelligentsia heels when what you put forward didn't jive with their collective wisdom. I've never seen a more head in the sand approach.
 
I'm going to have to buy your flamethrower books too. Incredibly interesting stuff.

After reading your thread in the other forum it's kind of shocking to me that they wouldn't even engage you. I mean if they want to disagree fine, go for it, it's healthy to have a little good natured debate. These guys turned on their collective, intelligentsia heels when what you put forward didn't jive with their collective wisdom. I've never seen a more head in the sand approach.
That's is why you people here are so awesome. It's extremely rare to meet a whole community of people who share the same values of curiosity, openness, and willingness to be entertained.

One thing lacking in the military-history community is a sense of humor. I don't mean actual present-day warriors. I've gotten some amazing PMs from bass-playing troops reading this thread. Members of the service tend to be really funny people. On that other forum the funny people seem to be all ex-service members. But the academics? The historians? As funny as multiple sclerosis.

A story from that forum:

There's a guy over there who claims to be an expert on British flamethrowers of World War I. With apologies to the Brits reading this, but the British flamethrower effort in World War I was ludicrous. Their "portable" flamethrower weighed 130 pounds. They built a "semi-portable" weapon shaped like a milk churn that weighed 150 pounds and was carried into battle by two men using poles, like it was a sedan chair with a big, fat pasha sitting in it. When they set it up, they plugged the two poles into sockets on the back of the flamethrower, because without the poles to support it, it would do a back flip when you turned it on. And the oil-ejection pipe--the lance--would pop off because it was held in place by a friction coupler. This would drench the squad with burning oil.

The British large flamethrower was 50 feet long and was assembled underground in mining galleries. It weighed 4000 pounds and held 300 gallons of oil. After the gallery was dug and the weapon assembled, the lance would be pushed up through the earth with a hydraulic jack, emerging above ground like a submarine periscope. An automatic igniter would set off the jet of flame, which could reach up to 300 feet, and the lance--called the "monitor"--would rotate back and forth, back and forth, cooking everything in front of it. The thing was, the Germans weren't idiots, so when they saw this mechanical dinosaur head and neck slowly rearing out of the ground and starting to fizzle and smoke, they said "Nein danke!" and ducked down into their trenches, and the flame jet would go harmlessly over their heads.

The Brits were the only combatants who sent their flamethrower operators into battle with no protection from infantry. Those poor b*stards with the semi-portables didn't even make it out of the trenches before they were shot down.

So, after adopting insane designs and worthless tactics, the Brits declared that the flamethrower was useless. They launched a total of 18 flamethrower attacks in the entire war, compared to 653 by the Germans. The Brits also experimented with what they called "incendiary crates," which were boxes packed with cans of oil fired from underground shafts 20 feet long, dug at a 45-degree angle. Of course it was a disaster, as the crates blew up in midair, destroyed by the powder charges used to launch them. Again, they showered the men using them with burning oil.

I related all this, in exactly the tone I used above, and I got an indignant PM from this British "expert" on flamethrowers, telling me he could take anything but ridicule, and by making fun of the men who fought in the war, I was doing a huge disservice to them.

I told him I wasn't making fun of the brave men forced to use these stupid designs and suicidal tactics; I was making fun of the idiot leaders and designers. But he wasn't mollified. I'd already had a few exchanges with him, since he was supposed to be an expert, and he was worse than useless. I already knew more about the topic than he did. But he's a Big Dog in the British World War I history world, and I'm miserable Yank peon, so I told him I'd moderate my language, even though I wanted to tell him to cram it.

My descriptions of the British flamethrower effort went over like a lead balloon, as you can imagine. One total mental patient--a published author over there--really laid into me for disrespecting his fallen ancestors. I tried to tell him I wasn't disrespecting anybody; when the U.S. entered the war in 1917, we used 1914 tactics, ignoring all the advice from the Brits and French, and our poor men were mowed down in literal rows. The 1952 movie What Price Glory? depicts accurately what happened. James Cagney, as the veteran captain, is forced to watch his fresh young recruits killed as they march stoically into the machine-gun fire, and he goes nuts. Screaming, "Little boys! Little boys!" he charges the machine gun nest and kills the Germans with hand grenades. I admitted to all these Brits that we made mistakes in that war, too.

No dice. Nobody accepted my apologies or explanations. The mental-patient writer got nastier and more sarcastic and really personal, in that insufferable way perfected by Brits who hate Americans because they think we're dumb burger-chompers, and the thread had to be locked by the moderator.

This is the only forum I've been on that doesn't seem to be overrun by crazy people looking for a fight, people whose heads are made of oak, or people who despise anything not easily slipped into a convenient niche. You all seem to actually appreciate art, humor, genuine emotion, and individual thought. It's given me great hope to comment here, because I thought most of that was extinct in our culture. I'm glad to find an island of sanity and taste in the maelstrom of poo I thought had washed over me for the final time.

For once I'm ecstatic to have been proven 100-percent wrong.

P.S. Just for fun, here's a drawing I did of the large British flamethrower. The oil tanks are in the middle and the propellant bottles are on the left. The "monitor" on the right is the part that rammed up through 20 feet of earth and spouted flame. The flamethrower was fired by pulling the lever on the far left. It had a crew of seven and took 250 men to transport it in its component pieces. Possibly the dumbest weapon ever created. It took so long to assemble that of the four scheduled to be used in action on July 1, 1916, two were blown up by random German shelling and buried, leaving only two, which of course had no effect on the outcome of the battle.

You can't get photos of this thing because the only ones left all belong to museums and the British National Archives and they charge tons to license them, so I did a drawing and posted it on that British forum. Free information! Took me days to do the drawing. I thought they'd appreciate it.

No reaction. None whatsoever. Not a single comment. Every now and then, someone will post a question asking what the Livens "Large Gallery" Flammenwerfer looks like, and nobody there ever links to my drawing. It just sits there, dead as its inventor, Lieutenant William Howard Livens, Royal Engineers Special Brigade.

I actually wondered if I'd died myself and was a ghost, because almost everything I did in the military-history field went into the ether and disappeared without a trace.
 

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The guys who used them were not only brave, they actually saved lives.

What most of us know about flamethrowers stems from the newsreel footage of U.S. marines in World War II, burning the Japanese alive in their caves and bunkers. The Japanese were unique in that they never surrendered, no matter what.

In World War I, before the use of flamethrowers, you had to attack bunkers with grenades and explosives, killing everyone inside and taking massive casualties yourself.

Once there were flamethrowers, all you had to do was stand outside the bunker where the guys inside could see and spray one jet into the air, and they surrendered without a fight.

Here's a photo taken after an assault on August 9, 1918. The sign says "The stormers of Ronvaux." The guys with the skull badges on their cuffs are German flamethrower pioneers; two French prisoners are posing on either side of the man in the center. Everybody else is German, men of an assault battalion and an infantry-gun battery.

In this operation, the French surrendered when the flamethrower pioneers appeared, and then some of them posed for this photo. Nobody seems traumatized, and the French don't even seem embarrassed. They're like, "Whatdja expect? They had flamethrowers!"

It was more a psychological weapon than anything else, so that's why I'm fascinated by it. I love psychology.

FLAMETHROWERS! Must. Read. Entire. Thread.
 
FLAMETHROWERS! Must. Read. Entire. Thread.
I command you to.

By the way, after blathering on for as long as I have, I've realized you can distill everything I've experienced and said into one warning:

"Make sure it's a good fit."

Don't devote your heart and soul to anything that isn't a good fit for you. Or to anyone who isn't a good fit for you.

I stuck with things long, long after I knew in my heart I didn't belong. If it's not a good fit for you, accept it as quickly as you can and spare yourself needless agony.

You'll survive, and something else will come along.
 
My favorite part of the interview I did with Oleg Bernov of the Red Elvises, an extremely nice and cooperative guy:

"In Moscow I auditioned as the bass player for a theater company, but they told me I was not that good. 'You can try acting school,' they said. Sure. So my acting career started. It was musical theater. There's actors and musicians and it always kind of intertwines.

"Sometimes I like being a musician and I want to be with musicians, and then I look at the actors and I wanna be on stage and do acting and then vice-versa. And when I'm an actor, I look at the musicians and if I don't like the bass player I think, 'Darn, how could you be in the theater group and still have a chart? You've gone through the show already so many times and you still don't remember that?'

"In a way it was a lot like Cirque Du Soleil, except for the acrobats. We didn't have the physical thing. It was musical shows with the drama and also a lot of improvisational comedy. We did original songs for the plays. Scores, I mean. And sometimes we would write original songs, too. I got a lot of experience of how to deal with management problems. Like promoting the shows. That's my background. I know how to promote now.

"With the theater group, we brought in a rock-and-roll band from San Francisco, called Alien Beachhead.

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"These were wild American guys. They played heavy rock and roll on acoustic instruments. The bass player had an upright bass and it was so interesting. I was the only one who spoke English in the theater. I was the one who actually brought them there, and I became their road manager in Russia. So I got this idea to play upright bass.

"In downtown Moscow, there's one street where there's no cars and a lot of street performers and artists and everything. At that time I lent my street-performer friend my bass guitar and he sold it, so he said, 'I'm sorry, I sold your bass guitar. Would you like an upright bass?' Interesting idea. So I got on the train from my home and went to downtown Moscow to pick up a huge upright bass.

"I started practicing and soon I could play it. I used to travel in my band Limpopo with an upright bass and a bass balalaika. I got two giant pieces of luggage. We started flying, so I had to make this case for the upright bass in fiberglass. I wrapped the bass in newspaper and all kinds of foam, and then I made a huge shell out of papier-maché and wallpaper. When it got hard, I cut it open, took the bass out, and then fiberglassed over the case. Now it's this... this creature."
 
That's is why you people here are so awesome. It's extremely rare to meet a whole community of people who share the same values of curiosity, openness, and willingness to be entertained.

We have our own cultural beliefs here as well. It seems to be pretty much a common belief that all you need to have to be a great bassist is a P bass with flats and a Tort guard. More importantly, if you mix different size speakers or worse different size speakers from different companies (ie 4x10 with a 1x15) you will summon demons and bring about the Mayan Apocalypse due to some sort of phase or frequency problems. I am not sure, but I'd rather not be the one responsible for bringing about the end of the world so I don't do it. All I really know is that someone needs to warn Victor. :eyebrow:
 
Arthritic_Tom said:
That's is why you people here are so awesome. It's extremely rare to meet a whole community of people who share the same values of curiosity, openness, and willingness to be entertained.

This is the only forum I've been on that doesn't seem to be overrun by crazy people looking for a fight, people whose heads are made of oak, or people who despise anything not easily slipped into a convenient niche.
Oh, we have our moments. :) One of the reasons we seem so open-minded is you haven't tipped any sacred cows, or trod on sacred toes. With the British flamethrower deal, you walked into a room full of people that venerate British military history and told them a chunk of their True Cross was actually paper mache, and that the officers in charge were idiots. Over here, you'd have to post that tube amps are garbage and Leo Fender was an idiot. :) We also do have a contingent of people who get really angry and defensive any time science is used to challenge commonly-held beliefs about bass gear. They assert that science is only used by non-musician nerds, and that Real Bassists are above such wastes of time. Anyway, we are all very fortunate your memoir posts are about humanity and inhumanity, so we can all relate.
 
I command you to...
"Make sure it's a good fit."

So true, in relationships, music, work or wherever. It reminded me of this story:
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The point is that sometimes our best efforts are ignored, or even derided simply because of context. The same music for a different set of ears, or the same words for another person's eyes might make all the difference.
 
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