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Interviewing Bassists Stories part 2

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I just read the first thirteen pages of part I of this thread. All I can say is thanks. Not only is it entertaining as hell, but it's helping me on a personal level. I'm becoming the angry person that you were and it sucks. Hopefully something in the rest of this thread will help me subvert the anger, because it sure isn't productive. Listening to Deacon Blues on payday is a bad sign. Thanks again.
 
I just read the first thirteen pages of part I of this thread. All I can say is thanks. Not only is it entertaining as hell, but it's helping me on a personal level. I'm becoming the angry person that you were and it sucks. Hopefully something in the rest of this thread will help me subvert the anger, because it sure isn't productive. Listening to Deacon Blues on payday is a bad sign. Thanks again.
Anger is fine; chronic anger is what'll do you in.

The second-to-last-chapter of the book is called Lessons Learned, a mostly tongue-in-cheek list of all the things I learned from being so angry that I blew up my immune system.

I can boil it all down to a couple talking points: If something isn't a good fit, you have to change it, and don't waste even a second on being angry and things you can't change.

For me, the secret to not being that chronically angry person anymore was loss. I lost so much that what I still had became precious, and I finally let all the poison drain from my system.

It was a hugely steep price to pay for clarity, so if you can avoid it, please try. I don't regret my experience, because it was the only way I managed to get where I am today. But the cost was astronomical.
 
Thanks so much, Tom, for this thread. It was truly amazing to read and watch a soul heal on-line. You took out each of your ghosts, displayed them in public, proclaimed "I banish you!", and cast them off one by one. You found a collection of kindred spirits to support you. Events took a completely different path than what was anticipated. You took risks. You grew. Magnificent!

I can sympathize with many of the things you went through as a result of your losses. My dear father died in 2006. I was very close to him. There was a long sequence of difficult events starting in 2003 that led up to his death. I became extremely angry after his death, which turned inward as depression, and turned outward as "angry old man syndrome." I became more focused on what I lost, not what I had. I became angry at my mother, and turned her out of my life for a long time. I missed seeing my son grow to a man, yet he did so in front of my eyes. I became disgruntled at work, and more difficult to work with vs. the easy going and creative individual I was. I still held down my job, and did some important work, but it was not "fun." I grew very little – no, make that I did not feel any pleasure in any growth I made. Yet, I had a lot, especially a wife and kids that were there for me every day. But I could not see this, just my loss. It has taken a long time for me to heal.

I recently read "How to Survive the Loss of a Love" by McWilliams, Bloomfield, and Colgrove. While I'm not into self-help books, my daughter brought home a copy from a used book sale and I read it in one day. I should have read it years ago. I was going through the normal cycle of grief! It is obvious to me, after reading your thread, that you were going through grieving the loss of the love for you job with Bass Player. What a great job that must have been! You obviously loved it, and then you lost that love. And then you suffered several other losses while trying to recover from that one (your arthritis, your setback with military writing), and it brought back other ghosts (Japan, San Francisco). This is normal! While trying to recover from the loss of my father, I resurrected my previous anger at music and certain musical friends of mine, which resulted in not picking up my bass for 15 years. I also had two cats die, and a long-time friend (guitar player) die from cancer. Life goes on while you’re recovering.

What that book helped explain is that anger is a natural part of the grief process. That "better" is not a straight line from "not better". That the healing process can take years, and varies from person to person. That one loss, and its anger, can bring up lots of unfinished business from other losses. That you will survive, and you will move through each of the phases. And that you'll be stronger once you emerge.

I recently turned several corners. I decided to play jazz again, and found a band that needed a bass player. I’m tearing into the Real Books, theory, modes, and scales again. I’ve had some recent “aha” moments, associations I never made when I was previously playing. My walking and soloing are steadily improving. I found a collection of kindred spirits that meet once a year (also bass players). I started working part-time (4 days a week), which gives me an extra day a week for myself. I started to talk with my mother again. And, I started to appreciate what I have, especially my immediate family, not what I lost. In short, I started to grow again. My cup is half-full, not half-empty.

May your cup always be half (or more) full, Tom.

Best…BB
 
Thanks so much, Tom, for this thread. It was truly amazing to read and watch a soul heal on-line. You took out each of your ghosts, displayed them in public, proclaimed "I banish you!", and cast them off one by one. You found a collection of kindred spirits to support you. Events took a completely different path than what was anticipated. You took risks. You grew. Magnificent!

May your cup always be half (or more) full, Tom.

Best…BB
Thanks for that heartfelt message, BB, and congratulations on moving out of the state we were in for so long.

Johnny Rotten wrote that "anger is an energy," but too much of any energy--heat, electricity, radiation--can kill you.

Just this morning I was turned down for a book blurb by my music idol, and my anger and disappointment lasted only a couple of hours.

In actual fact, it was her gatekeepers who rejected the idea of her providing a blurb. We'll never know if she might have liked to read the book for herself, but that's what gatekeepers are for.

A gatekeeper initially refused to send on a letter I wrote to my bass idol, saying it was "too intense." I insisted; my bass idol got the letter; and his people provided me a photo of him. Not only that, the woman who sent me the photo said it was a fine letter that moved her immensely.

Gatekeepers are usually a bad idea. I can't respond to all the messages I get now, but I read them all myself rather than have someone screen them out.

Thanks again. You'll love the book. I promise.
 
I finally made through part 1. Whew, what a ride.
I'll be looking for the book when it comes out, one way or the other, in analog or digital form. It wil give me something to read while I'm watching the girls play outside. (My daughters, 3 and almost 7. Git yer minds outta the gutter. :p ) :D
It'll probably just be my luck, that it won't be out here in Canuckland till long after our southern neighbours, but I'll be looking just the same.

When I first started playing, I picked up a copy or two of BPM. This was in the mid 80's, and I was going to be a rock bassist. I found it informative for the most part, but the ads were getting more and the articles were getting less, so I didn't buy any more. I glanced at it now and then on the rack, but was unimpressed, with what was going on in the music scene at the time. I was also playing in a country band, and they were'nt doing any country bassists in any issue I looked at.
One thing I must say, even though I got back into playing after ~12 years, this has given me even more inspiration to play than I already had. I'll have to sqeeze some more practice time in between my 3D work and looking after the girls. :bassist:
 
Finally finished both threads and it was well worth the time. It was great seeing how things turned out, and I didn't even have to go through the suspense in real time!
Looking forward to your announcement, Tom, and more so for the book. You deserve the success.
 
Finally finished both threads and it was well worth the time. It was great seeing how things turned out, and I didn't even have to go through the suspense in real time!
Looking forward to your announcement, Tom, and more so for the book. You deserve the success.

It was a lot better going through it in real time... it was like being in the middle of the season of a great TV show, and waiting to get to work to log into Talkbass each day was like looking forward to each new episode. Truly one of the great things to come out of the internet.

-Y
 
It was a lot better going through it in real time... it was like being in the middle of the season of a great TV show, and waiting to get to work to log into Talkbass each day was like looking forward to each new episode. Truly one of the great things to come out of the internet.

-Y

Reading the thread itself is amazing, but +1. It was very much like watching a good show on TV, you didn't want to miss anything. I still check this thread everytime I log on cause I don't want to miss anything still!
 
Reading the thread itself is amazing, but +1. It was very much like watching a good show on TV, you didn't want to miss anything. I still check this thread everytime I log on cause I don't want to miss anything still!
Things are progressing. The manuscript is being edited, and I hope to be able to make my announcement soon.

The book will have one or two photo inserts of about 50 images in total. Some of them are pretty outrageous.

A certain bassist wanted me to include a nude photo, but I had to decline. The book is a very delicate balancing act of revelation and concealment-omission, because I've noticed that whenever an entertainer spills his or her guts entirely, that's the end of the person's career.

I have to maintain a certain level of mystery, because if I explain everything, you'll lose interest.

The key to great art:

1. It asks more questions than it answers.

2. It doesn't satisfy you completely, instead deliberately withholding in order to leave you wanting more.

By the end, you'll wonder how the hell I managed to this thing off, and you'll wonder about the relationships of everyone in the story.

And you'll never find out.

Art, baby!
 
To whet your appetites, here's the introduction to Ghosts and Ballyhoo. It explains everything you'll need to know about the book.

"I was the most haunted person you could ever meet. Places, books, movies, animals, occurrences, sounds, and smells left me shivering, sometimes for years. Mostly, though, people and music haunted me. I’ve recently come to realize the inevitability of my becoming a music journalist, despite my stutter, my lack of musical training, and my difficulties interacting with people. My lifelong pattern has been to pursue that which has haunted me. I say "has been," because I may--may--have finally changed my ways. Time will tell.

"This memoir is about my ten years as a music journalist in Los Angeles, my obsessive quest to "help" one of the finest musicians I’ve ever met, and my inability to move beyond a failed relationship with a woman I’ll call Carmen, herself a musician. The remarkable way in which this memoir came about has determined the form it takes, which is seven anthologies of short stories by me, and six interludes of words spoken by former Frank Zappa bassist Scott Thunes (pronounced TOO-niss), my central musical ghost. I first interviewed him in 1996 and wrote an article about him for Bass Player, titled "Requiem for a Heavyweight?" It was this article and the interview I conducted with bassist Gene Simmons of Kiss, published in Bass Player as "Call Him Doctor Love," that convinced me I had a permanent place in the world of music journalism. As you will see, those two interviews actually signed my death warrant in the field.

"Since I‘ve already written extensively about Thunes and Simmons in my first book In Cold Sweat: Interviews with Really Scary Musicians [Limelight Editions, 2001], this memoir will touch only peripherally on the experience of sitting down with them in 1996. Simmons haunted me almost as much as Scott Thunes, but as with virtually all of the musicians I interviewed in my career, there was no question of further engagement with him after our initial interaction. It was just business. A few were different. John Taylor of Duran Duran, Stephen Jay of the "Weird Al" Yankovic band, and Bryan Beller of far too many projects to mention (This is my memoir, Bryan! Mine! Write your own!) come to mind. But for some reason Scott Thunes and I had a much longer, much more personal relationship until I ended it in 2003, when I resigned from music journalism and cut off all contact with people connected to the decade-long debacle I’d engineered for myself.

"What haunted me most about Scott Thunes was that he’d resigned from music years before I did, an absolute tragedy in my mind. Bass was my chosen instrument; when listening to music, I always heard the bass first and foremost. There is no bassist like Scott Thunes. His is an entirely original voice that relies on no obvious influences. What makes Thunes unique is his ability to express emotion on his instrument, particularly when performing live with other musicians. Rather than play bass lines, he accompanies his band mates in the traditional sense, improvising flourishes and ornamentation that propel the players into a much higher, much more passionate level of musicianship. It’s a remarkable skill, and it tore out my heart that he had given it up.

"Despite my genuine liking of Thunes and my admiration for his talent, perceptive readers will probably be able to work out for themselves another reason I was obsessed with helping him. There's no need for me to spell it out. Instead, I’ll let everything just sort of unfold. Since Thunes haunted me as much as my long-departed Carmen, I've decided to include long passages of his own words, the majority of which are taken from an unpublished interview I conducted with him in 1997. Thunes's story is central to mine, but not for the reasons I originally thought.

"It was extremely difficult for me to reconstruct the timeline of my stint at Bass Player, because I’d deleted all my e-mails from the magazine and Miller Freeman had canceled my free subscription in 2002. I haven’t read the magazine in over ten years. Some of the dates I give of events may not be completely accurate. Who cares, though?

"This is a strange book, the strangeness of which is as inevitable as both my career in music journalism and its demise. I’m a strange person, and the way the book came to be is one of the strangest episodes I’ve ever witnessed. I happen to be a believer in both destiny and free will. Maybe I’ll write about that someday. For now, I present these anthologies and interludes of hauntings, of what to do and not to do, and of how to be and not to be.

"One of my favorite painters is Otto Dix, a veteran of World War I. His images are truly the most disgusting, horrific, unflinching portrayals of war ever created. Critics couldn't understand why he produced such art. Dix’s answer has stuck with me ever since I read it years ago: 'Painting is an act of banishment.' I had to write this book. Readers should know I wrote it entirely without malice, except for three or four sentences that are very malicious toward one person. Since I earned the right to be momentarily malicious, however, I don’t apologize. On the whole, this memoir was written so that I could come to terms, bear witness, and entertain you, but mostly it was a way for me to banish."
 
Too often I read books, and the introduction either makes me want to skip to proper text, or put down the book entirely.

Your introduction, like your very first post in these threads, leaves me wanting more.

Are there any plans for some signed copies to be made available for purchase?
 
Too often I read books, and the introduction either makes me want to skip to proper text, or put down the book entirely.

Your introduction, like your very first post in these threads, leaves me wanting more.

Are there any plans for some signed copies to be made available for purchase?
Thanks for that. I usually skip over introductions, too, which is why I took a lot of time writing one that would draw people in and make them want to keep going.

I'm sure a plan for signed copies could be worked out.
 
I need more Tom Wictor, I need more!!!!

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