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Iphone 5 $800!?

#61
Strat-Mangler said:
Oh please.

Talk to Mac users. This is personal experience working in the IT industry for half of my life, now. It's not some rash judgement.

And I never said all Apple users. I said fanboys. They're usually the most ignorant users. ;)
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I'm in a similar position. I'm an IT manager and have over the course of the last 28 years been a system administrator for everything from DEC VMS (to show you how old I am) to every variant of Unix imaginable to Tandem and Stratus, a network adminstrator and done development in everything from assembler through C++ and Java on most of those platforms. Most of my peers have similar experience. None of them are what anyone in their right mind would call technical illiterates. Many of them use Macs. Though most of them also believe PCs and Windows are perhaps the stupidest platforms in world to run real important applications on. An opinion I largely share fwiw.
 
#62
MJ5150 said:
I've had a few problems over the years on our Windows based machines and the Apple ones. Most times it was something I did.
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We live in a world where nobody wants to take responsibility for their screw-ups, so they blame anybody but themselves when, in this case, it typically is the fault of the user when something goes awry. I need to explain to people that the computer is only doing what it's ordered to do, after all. If you tell it to figuratively bang its head into a wall even though you might be unaware that you (in)directly asked it to do that, it will do it.

Something else that people always forget is that 99.9% of users seem to install, install, install... but never uninstall anything. Consequently, there are only so many balls the computer can juggle with and this bloat will include sluggish performance as well as instability. It always amazes people whenever I uninstall every piece of crap that they installed and reboot, because the difference in performance is staggering. There's obviously a lot more that can be done, but this very basic (and to me, obvious) maintenance makes a world of a difference.

MJ5150 said:
The price tag keeps many from taking that step (...)
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A used Mac is generally a lot less expensive and would deliver the same user-friendly experience. Kijiji and Craigslist would be places I'd hit. They might have a less cutting-edge machine, but if they plan on doing relatively basic tasks, the difference in speed would be small.
 
#63
Yep, crap in, crap out. Many end users don't get that so I have to put it in simple terms. If you use rotten apples to make an apple pie, it isn't the ovens fault the pie tastes terrible.

I've never heard of Kijiji, I'll check it out. But I was referring to purchasing new. Good point though.

-Mike
 
#64
droppedurpocket said:
This. So much
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Not an Apple fanboi, and I also have two Androids, but unless you've never bought a $20 tshirt with a logo on it...as opposed to 3 white T's for $5 (or apply similar analogy to jeans, sneakers, sunglasses, etc.), you're being slightly hypocritical.

People place extra value on, and extra for, brand all the time, consciously and/or unconsciously.

Apple has built one of the most valuable brands around, so they charge for it, and people are willing to pay the premium for it. No need to denigrate those people. Your favorite Droid phone maker would do the same if they had the same brand equity.
 
#66
The thing about it is it's not like the new Android devices are cheap. Anyone try to buy a Samsung Galaxy SIII without a contract? The Razr Maxx?

Does Apple charge more? In some case they do. But the customer support and service you get, most of the time, is superior to their counterparts. That alone makes them worth more in my opinion.

-Mike
 
#71
I think I'll do what I did with the iPhone 4. Wait until the next thing is about to release and buy it while the stores are clearing it out for the next one.

The only reason I have upgraded from my 3GS is because the glass shattered so bad that I was getting slivers from using it. And if you squeezed it in the wrong place, it would vibrate non stop because of a crack next to the mute switch.

The 4 is a nice upgrade, though. Noticeably faster processor, better camera, much better display and the buttons on the sides look like they'd be harder to break off/out. The ability to use Skype on the phone is awesome as well.

For the apple vs PC fight going on, I like to be able to not worry about maintaining the machine. I could very easily learn how to maintain and upgrade the crap out of a PC, but for my needs, the old MacBook and G5 take care of me well. The only problem I've ever had is a hard drive failure in the MacBook, which is inevitable for any high use laptop that doesnt have a solid state hard drive.

BTW, it's pretty easy to install a PC OS and run it parallel to a macintosh OS on a Mac computer. Can even set it up so that you just log into the PC side, or the Mac side.
 
#72
I will never understand why people care what others spend their money on. So what if it was $2800...if someone thinks it's worth it, so be it.

Prada purses run in to the high double digit thousands for limited editions. They cost Prada $100 to source from the same factory that has been making them for years.

I would say that the mona lisa cost only a few dollars worth of material and look what that could fetch. In bigger ticket items, cost and price have less to do with one another than people think. One is procurement, one is demand.
 
#78
warnergt said:
That's your loss. The Apple iPhone consistently leads by far
in customer satisfaction and customer loyalty.

Enjoy your less satisfying product.
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This right here is Apple fanboyism, lol. Seriously though "Enjoy your less satisfying product." has to be the funniest supposed-to-mean-something-but-really-doesn't line I've heard in a while. Thanks for the laugh.

Signed,

A person who enjoys Apple products
 

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