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Iron Ether Appreciation Society

There's a few folks out there with steady production, small batches with great prices that are almost half of the neighboring guys.

The smart folks are buying more than they need when they get a chance to buy at all. Don't forget, these shortages started over 2 years ago with the initial COVID everyone stay at home. Some people are getting parts that they ordered over a year ago now...if they were smart/lucky, they ordered a metric ton of what they needed so production can continue. I've seen a bunch of smaller builders also holler out other smaller builders for sharing parts and whatnot...so all of that helps, but eventually prices will go up where they haven't - if for no other reason than the market is kind of demanding it.

With iron ether releasing a handful of pedals each quarter...I'm not sure how it's being managed, but clearly not buying a metric ton of parts when the opportunity arises.

Yeah no one is immune to the crazy zero covid lockdowns on China. Recent pictures of snap lockdown of an apple Products factory with workers scaling razor wire fences so they don’t get locked in for days…
War in Ukraine with russia doesn’t help the other world commodity economies either.
I feel for all the pedal maker guys when it feels like a few years ago you used to be able to buy whatever you wanted whenever you wanted from them.

It's a really interesting time to be alive with all of this stuff...especially the news that is less in our face - remember, news is a business built on advertising so they need you to click and be engaged...so they only show us what we will click on and we'll only click on the most sensational stories from abroad...there is a ton of other problems that we just aren't all that interested in as a society that is also affecting all of this stuff. Most people don't realize the situation in China...but in my business we deal with it on the regular...I still think back to early 2000 when we started holding meetings about this crazy illness that was shutting down factories and production. It seemed so unbelievable that was real at the time - it didn't really hit our news until the first outbreak in seattle.
 
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The smart folks are buying more than they need when they get a chance to buy at all. With iron ether releasing a handful of pedals each quarter...I'm not sure how it's being managed, but clearly not buying a metric ton of parts when the opportunity arises.

C'mon dude. I know it's fun to speculate but imagine if there was a stranger out there with no knowledge of the inner workings of your business saying stuff like this about you. "The smart folks are doing [X] - cosmicevan clearly isn't." You're obviously allowed to say whatever you want about me, I'll always defend that right, but please try to remember the human being behind these inanimate objects.

I'm doing exactly what you're talking about - when things are available, I'm buying 2, 3, 4 years' worth. That's not easy as a tiny company with no investors, trying to stay debt-free. And it ties up my capital in things that won't pay off for years, which has downstream effects.

I'm currently building about the same number of pedals as ever. Demand has constantly gone up so that same number of pedals sells faster. Unlike a lot of other pedal makers, I actually build my stuff myself, from start to finish. That's really the bottleneck at this point.

I know what it's like running a bigger business, having a bunch of employees building the pedals, and I did not like it. The quality suffered, my mental and physical health suffered, the business racked up a ton of debt. Doing everything myself is certainly a management choice that one could criticize, because it doesn't optimize for cranking out the maximum volume of stuff. But not every business in the world is primarily focused on that metric.

I hope this doesn't come across too aggro. I've been sick and over-worked and I am, after all, just a person with feelings.
 
C'mon dude. I know it's fun to speculate but imagine if there was a stranger out there with no knowledge of the inner workings of your business saying stuff like this about you. "The smart folks are doing [X] - cosmicevan clearly isn't." You're obviously allowed to say whatever you want about me, I'll always defend that right, but please try to remember the human being behind these inanimate objects.

I'm doing exactly what you're talking about - when things are available, I'm buying 2, 3, 4 years' worth. That's not easy as a tiny company with no investors, trying to stay debt-free. And it ties up my capital in things that won't pay off for years, which has downstream effects.

I'm currently building about the same number of pedals as ever. Demand has constantly gone up so that same number of pedals sells faster. Unlike a lot of other pedal makers, I actually build my stuff myself, from start to finish. That's really the bottleneck at this point.

I know what it's like running a bigger business, having a bunch of employees building the pedals, and I did not like it. The quality suffered, my mental and physical health suffered, the business racked up a ton of debt. Doing everything myself is certainly a management choice that one could criticize, because it doesn't optimize for cranking out the maximum volume of stuff. But not every business in the world is primarily focused on that metric.

I hope this doesn't come across too aggro. I've been sick and over-worked and I am, after all, just a person with feelings.
What's the big deal, it's just money..

j/k ;)

I've realized through these past 3 years, its not always about how prepared you were/are, but also who you know/network. I've seen businesses that always had one foot in the door with their distributors before this mess, hardly even affected by shortage, that's just the advantage they were dealt
 
C'mon dude. I know it's fun to speculate but imagine if there was a stranger out there with no knowledge of the inner workings of your business saying stuff like this about you. "The smart folks are doing [X] - cosmicevan clearly isn't." You're obviously allowed to say whatever you want about me, I'll always defend that right, but please try to remember the human being behind these inanimate objects.

I'm doing exactly what you're talking about - when things are available, I'm buying 2, 3, 4 years' worth. That's not easy as a tiny company with no investors, trying to stay debt-free. And it ties up my capital in things that won't pay off for years, which has downstream effects.

I'm currently building about the same number of pedals as ever. Demand has constantly gone up so that same number of pedals sells faster. Unlike a lot of other pedal makers, I actually build my stuff myself, from start to finish. That's really the bottleneck at this point.

I know what it's like running a bigger business, having a bunch of employees building the pedals, and I did not like it. The quality suffered, my mental and physical health suffered, the business racked up a ton of debt. Doing everything myself is certainly a management choice that one could criticize, because it doesn't optimize for cranking out the maximum volume of stuff. But not every business in the world is primarily focused on that metric.

I hope this doesn't come across too aggro. I've been sick and over-worked and I am, after all, just a person with feelings.

As someone who has a Xerograph Deluxe, I can say your quality control is top notch as it is by far the best manufactured pedal on my board. Love what you're doing!
 
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Seasons greetings from my IE family to yours!
 
How do you like the QF2?

QF2 is the main distortion on my Novo 24. Love it! Especially the blending of overdrive into it.

Sorry @jschulman, I didn’t meant to rub it in; the question was to @TOGNA. Turns out we both slept on it.

It definitely took a lot of tweaking. When used, I run it through a Broughton FFXL to help tame the booming wobble. The expression inputs are fun to swing things from subtle to crazy.