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Iron Ether Appreciation Society

Oh snap, I just noticed Janek's demo video of the Dubterranea... wow. Part of me thinks it's a little unnecessary for me since I sold my Xerograph Deluxe a few years ago and currently have a C4, part of me just wants to upgrade my SubT. Guess I have some thinking to do.

I'm actually planning on the DubT and XD making my C4 unnecessary.
 
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I'm actually planning on the DubT and XD making my C4 unnecessary.

I hear ya. I'm feeling like the C4's MIDI functionality gives it a bit of an edge and makes me want to stick with it, that way I can pull up my presets instead of fiddling with knobs at a gig. And I have the Hub + Aftershock so I'm somewhat invested in the ecosystem. But I'm thinking that I could upgrade to a DubT and then experiment with pairing it with the C4 and an expression pedal. Might not match the sound of a XD but it's worth a shot.
 
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Not to change the subject again but my Oxide came in today. And it completely blew me away. From the videos I had seen i was actually expecting to not really like it to be honest as weird as that sounds. But after few minutes of playing with the pedal I found my sweet spot was to have the EQ knob anywhere from 11:00 to 3:00 and it just sounded amazing with almost any setting otherwise. My taste obviously. YMMV. I was expecting sputtery from gated fuzz and it was not that at all. I could easily make it beautiful, wooly fuzz by just keeping the EQ below 2-3 o'clock and making sure there was enough clean blend in there.

I also wanted to say I was amazed at how interactive the controls were. It blew me away. How the drive and the morph and the EQ and even just volume levels all interacted with each other felt like nothing I had ever played through before. Words cannot possibly do this justice. The subtle and yet and huge difference just turning the morph knob can make. How the pedal responds differently at almost every different "O'clock" setting is pretty wild. I am stunned. And the tone had clarity and bass and depth to it no matter what I did. I have never played so clear and clean in Drop C tuning before. Maybe that is why metal/industrial/really heavy people apparently like gated fuzz?

Two thumbs up times a million with this pedal.

It seems Iron Ether lives up to the sky high reputation and then some.
 
I'll still be sitting here doing the same thing until I see the Xerograph Deluxe come back in stock.

Yes you do want a Xenograph Deluxe. It’s more than just a filter or envelope. I’m certainly not the person to best describe or analyze anything and I might be getting into “mojo” or “fairy dust” territory here so I’ll shut up. Let’s just call it “The X Factor” LOL!
 
I hear ya. I'm feeling like the C4's MIDI functionality gives it a bit of an edge and makes me want to stick with it, that way I can pull up my presets instead of fiddling with knobs at a gig. And I have the Hub + Aftershock so I'm somewhat invested in the ecosystem. But I'm thinking that I could upgrade to a DubT and then experiment with pairing it with the C4 and an expression pedal. Might not match the sound of a XD but it's worth a shot.

I am thinking of adding the DubT at some point as basically extra oscillators for my C4, since the C4 can't do pulse or triangle waves. For me there is way to much versatility in the C4 to part ways with it, such as the ability to detune oscillators, and the vast array of different filters available. Now I just have to figure out how to squeeze the DubT on my board lol
 
I also wanted to say I was amazed at how interactive the controls were. It blew me away

Perhaps this is part of what I was referring to. Good observation.

. I hear ya. I'm feeling like the C4's MIDI functionality gives it a bit of an edge and makes me want to stick with it, that way I can pull up my presets instead of fiddling with knobs at a gig. And I have the Hub + Aftershock so I'm somewhat invested in the ecosystem. But I'm thinking that I could upgrade to a DubT and then experiment with pairing it with the C4 and an expression pedal. Might not match the sound of a XD but it's worth a shot.

I’m trying out a C4 after watching the implementation of it for a while now. Other than that I have no other investment in the ecosystem but I feel ya. The midi thing is badass. That said, in my mind the SubT/DubT-Xeno replacing a C4 would be subjective but the C4 replacing the SubT/DubT-Xeno would be impossible with the former being contingent on of course, your personal tastes, your need or desire for switching etc. and the later, while obviously my opinion, just ain’t gonna happen.
That’s OK with me. I’m just seeing if the C4 can augment the core IE analog synth chain I’m building (need a Polytrope! Would love an Oxide). This may involve midi peripherals if it works out and in that instance I’d get a looper with midi capability. Don’t know yet.
I’m not dissing the C4 or anyone, it’s very early days with it and recent life experiences have shown me to be an idiot. I do feel comfortable saying in regard to the C4, keeping in mind my limited time with it, that the OC2 sounds without caveat/with tweak ability are probably worth the price of admission to some, and in that context it tracks very fast and very low. It should also be known that one shouldn’t expect the octave tracking to carry over to all modes, only the ability to reliably track low. I myself don’t really have consistent use for octave notes below A, at least as a root note but that’s me.
I’m going to give it my best shot, be realistic in my expectations and be open suggestions from its users.
At the very least I plan to experiment with generating wave patterns with the C4 and feeding them thru the Xenograph/analog chain. Kind of a “oscillator with benefits” situation in keeping with the modular approach.

Regardless the IE synth chain pursuit shall continue and whatever happens any pedal/system had better play nice with my IE and I’m not just saying that. You won’t find me tripping to find an FMeron just because it’s IE, I’m not into FM synthesis.

Oh and on the OC2 thing, I recently figured out that on my SubT that favor is not found with the clean octave knob counterclockwise like some (not here) have suggested. There is quite a bit of throw from full CC where not a lot happens (there’s some for me 9-10-very subtle) but you’ve got to start getting into the filter territory to find that robot funk.
 
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Im intrigued by the Arcing Prisms, can someone post more examples of that pedal (alone preferably).

Would this be a redundant addition for me considering i already have an echolution and an Fmeron?
 
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I’d forgotten about the Frantabit. That seems like a good fit given my particular goals and great experience with IE. The Polytrope latest version is the priority and the DubT is a must but I’ll start looking into the Frantabit more earnestly. I’m keeping my SubT regardless and would purchase a later version Oxide that very second and do without elsewhere if need be but that’s pretty much wishful thinking.
Given that reality I’ve ordered a fuzz with gated capability that is described as “inspired by the B: assmaster and Iron Ether Oxide”
We’ll see but I have no personal experience with an Oxide so take that for what it is. It’s the Hiero
BEAD v2 and seems well thought out as well as being useful outside the synth thing. No YT video in the synth context but one video doing heavy fast rock is downright brutal and the low end seems to be retained.
Not much here at Talkbass about it.
It’s not like everything in this chain HAS to be IE but I know that I like them, they retain value if not and they work exponentially well together.

The C4 pedal is doing some cool things both within the analog chain into the XD as well as for certain stand alone applications. No pedal is going to scratch every persons itch and to me it is clear (now) that the modular approach is probably the only way for an individual, with individual goals to get where they want to be. For some the all in one digital thing works and I happened upon one locally at a great price (Helix LT) but just could bond with it. I should actually become a Supporting Member, move that thing and put it aside for the stuff I’ve been looking for.

While I’m railing against the concept of Stand Alone and All In One I consider the Subterranea to be groundbreaking and am so excited about its next iteration. That’s why I’m generally holding out for the latest version Taylor pedals I don’t have but want, the additions made are relevant, extremely useful and not just marketing.
 
I keep to pass this on to all you Iron Ether/top jack pedal people.

Mogami - G&H VLP Patch Cable - Pedalboards by Stompin-Ground

Not cheap, might have to make my own but the G&H Very Low Profile plugs would help with my top jack pedals, especially the 3 jack IE’s as well as the side jack pedals that, God knows why, put the 9v right next to a jack.
 
I keep to pass this on to all you Iron Ether/top jack pedal people.

Mogami - G&H VLP Patch Cable - Pedalboards by Stompin-Ground

Not cheap, might have to make my own but the G&H Very Low Profile plugs would help with my top jack pedals, especially the 3 jack IE’s as well as the side jack pedals that, God knows why, put the 9v right next to a jack.
EBS makes them a bit less expensive in 4", 7", 1', & 3'
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...RhoQNy6L87KG76G5At4PiC_KpxybCSPxoC814QAvD_BwE
 
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Good to know, thx
I’m checking it out now
a little off topic but i've had good luck with these which are cheaper:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D7R18PN

use about 15 of them haven't had one fail yet.

Back to the dubterrenea watch.... Taylor, is there going to be a custom order option for the DT? (I ordered a FM and XD in custom "mars" coloring that came out insanely cool).

honestly i haven't been this excited for a new pedal in a while - the sounds in the demo video are exactly what synth sounds i want...
 
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I’m sorry, all I heard was COSTUME MARS COLORING

oh yeah


a little off topic but i've had good luck with these which are cheaper:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D7R18PN

use about 15 of them haven't had one fail yet.

Those look like a good option ThumbSlaper, thx
If they work on a 3 jack IE pedal with an exp. inserted that’s golden and real low pro for side jacks.
What do think of the fidelity when using a bunch?
I’m a Mogami fan, the first time I used one was a loner and I just liked it right away, you know the human mind and all but my sound felt more immediate and visceral.

I build my own. Lifetime warranty.

These days I'm using soldered lava connectors on one end and squareplug on the other, and generally source either Mogami or Canare in bulk.

I’ve made my own in the past as well but that was an insane Ric-O-Sound board experiment that was completely out of control. Haven’t tried Canare.
 
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