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is a 4x10 plus a 1x15 silly?

#25
Bigger arenas, are they putting your bass prominently in the PA then? If so, then your cabinet should be for stage volume only, and unless your stage volume is WAY too loud you should be able to use EITHER a 410 or a 15--- they are putting you in the PA? Right? or is that just every guitar, vocals, every single drum being miced, and then you have to keep up with all that just with your stage rig?
 
#26
It's not silly if it truly works for you, however as others have noted the 4x10+1x15 combo does not get a lot of praise around here. I personally never have used that pairing of cabs so I don't know if that is true or not, however it would be at least worth looking into trying to see. If not at least you have two separate cabs you can now use for different venue sizes etc.
 
#27
Yep............gotta love threads like this.

On one side of the fence, you have the guys that understand how gear works and can explain the pros and cons in detail regarding power distribution problems, displacement limitation problems, additive and destructive frequency combining problems, sensitivity mismatch problems, etc.

Then on the other side of the fence are those that can explain none of the above, and say "well so&so uses that setup, so it must be OK", or just "do what you want"

Hmmmmm.............who to believe
 
#28
Years ago I ran a 410 on top of a 115 all the time. The sky didn't fall, nobody ended up in the hospital or the grave, but it is rather silly from a technical aspect and there are better ways to go about it. I certainly wouldn't tell anyone to spend money on that setup, but if it's what ya got, run it, until you can sell one or the other cab and find a closer match.
 
#29
OK, read the OP now.:smug:

The 410 on it's own probably get you need to go. If you must run both, stack the 15 on top so you can hear when it reaches it's limits, it will be the weak link.

Ideally, I wouldn't get either of those. Mesa 15's are fairly common. I'd find another one of those used and run both. Will sound better and stay within your budget.
 
#31
WoodyJ said:
I had a Mesa PH 4x10 and 1x15 stack and it just didn't work. The 4x10 carried most of the volume and the 1x15 might as well have not been there.

To my ear, either cabinet sounded better individually than when they were together.
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I had a similar experience with SWR though.

I had a goliathIII 410, and then got a SWR115 (thinkin I'd be using the amp to its fullest potential, runnin at 4 ohms.)

Well, as it turns out..it sounded ..good, (NOT BETTER)..until the 115 just up and died on day. I never cranked the amp past the 1/2 way point.

I'm guessing that I couldnt hear the 115 strugglin, as I was busy enjoying the 410s thump away..the 15 was prolly screamin for its mommy all the while.

I sold the 115 to somebody who wanted the box. (SWR wanted 400 for the speaker)


Point is.. I wasnt noticably louder with the 15 added to the 410, wasnt any noticablly different tone.
Its funny to me when people say "I got a 410 for the highs, and a 15 to carry the lows"
A GOOD 410 has all the lows you can hear.

YMMV





bgavin said:
Most 4x10 will spank a 1x15 quite handily.
Unless you are actively bi-amping with level balance, said spanking will be obvious.
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#32
Bassdirty said:
Its funny to me when people say "I got a 410 for the highs, and a 15 to carry the lows"
A GOOD 410 has all the lows you can hear.

YMMV
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It's even funnier when they say that "I'm not going to run them together in full range, I am going to bi-amp"

Only to be told that you really only need a 6" mid driver to keep up with a 1X15, so they will be carrying around a heavy 4X10 to do the work of a little 6" :D
 
#37
ngh said:
that just means you weren't doing it wrong right... :hiding:
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:D

Knowing what I know now, I used to wonder how my ignorance never destroyed that rig, but I think I've figured it out....

The 15 I was using (old Carvin V115 cab, nice sounding speaker, should've just got 2 of those), was tuned pretty close to 50hz, I think I modeled it at 48. The 50hz slider was the one on the amp I'd always boost the hell out of to make things vibrate and kind of float the band from the bottom. So, with the box holding the cone at a near stand-still, I was pretty much just making it burn off a lot of heat. It had a 500 watt coil and I used one side of the 600 watt stereo amp to power it, maybe only good for 200 watts at 8 ohms. Had I boosted the 100 slider like I did the 50, would've likely sent it to an early grave.


My knowledge has improved and tastes in tone have changed since then....
 
#39
FWIW, I did a gig last weekend with supplied backline, which is always a crapshoot. This time, though, it was a Peavey Firebass 700 into a Peavey 410 box (the really deeeep one). Verdict? OMFG:) Super-loud, super-low, and no hint of fart even on the low B with no compressor. Funny thing is, it was deeper sounding than my Hartke 15's and the whole rig can be copied for $500-ish, used of course.
 
#40
I've played on the Mesa PH410+115 setup with an M-Pulse 600, and amazingly, I'm still alive today. Granted, that's quite unbelievable to post such a thing on TB and that the magic audio engineer in the sky didn't come down and smote me, but the "mixing drivers" thing wasn't heresy here yet, so that's probably it.

However if I were buying something new or starting over, I wouldn't get that setup. If you mix a 1x15 with something, get a 210 or another 115. I personally used the the Mesa PH210+115 setup for a while and it sounded great. You could actually hear the instrument too, which isn't supposed to happen in that setup, but I could. :)

But that's a solid 115, so maybe look for another one to match it.
 

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