Is a tube di with the $?

[wolfkeller]

Is there anyone else here (besides me) that actually works with FOH people they trust?

I hear a lot of griping about sound guys wrecking your sound, which is completely foreign to me.

My rig routes a signal from my pedalboard to FOH and to a small mixer for my in ears - what I hear of my signal in my ears has nothing to do with what gets done at FOH to fit me into the mix. I’ve played through a Reddi dozens of times, but have no idea what one sounds like - What I hear comes off my signal chain before my signal hits the Reddi.

As I’m on stage, behind the PA, and have in ears in my ears, I’m completely isolated from what it sounds like in the house - from my vantage point, I have no data to even form an opinion about the sound at the venue. I do get to hear what ends up on YouTube, but that is separated in time and space from the actual event.

Am I the only one on here that has this vantage point?

Not much of a vantage point for this discussion.

 

[bass12]

In my situation, there are a couple of places I play that have Reddi’s - I didn’t spend a penny on them, or ever have to move one.

That would be ideal!

 

[micguy]

26419704[/URL], member: 87082"]The disdain for FOH sound people on TB is comical to me.

I do applaud the passion some folks have about their sound, but yeah, mostly I’m with you. Work with people who know their stuff, trust them, and so long as you know your stuff, that trust gets returned.[/QUOTE]

 

[wolfkeller]

The disdain for FOH sound people on TB is comical to me. Mostly I expect it's from folks who aren't that experienced playing/touring in a variety of venues and situations, with a different sound guy every night, or a dedicated tour sound guy that you just have to trust because you don't have time to dick around - it's gotta be plug n play. Heck, I can't recall many times when I actually heard what I sounded like out front. The FOH guy is always an easy culprit for folks who don't understand how to manage stage volume and/or send a quality, workable, hassle-free signal to FOH.

This thread isn't about knocking the soundman but what I said is fact, period. I have had experience with pros who take the time, do right and care and I've had the opposite. The size of the venue or pa doesn't always dictate how these guys act.

My question was about tube di , nothing more

 

[micguy]

My question was about tube di , nothing more

I understand that's the question you asked, but the situation that precipitated that question (which you outlined in your first few posts) is you're not happy with your sound. There are a lot of ways to improve on that situation; gear is not always the best route to get you where you want. Widening the discussion to include the environment is helpful in a lot of cases.

 

[wolfkeller]

I understand that's the question you asked, but the situation that precipitated that question (which you outlined in your first few posts) is you're not happy with your sound. There are a lot of ways to improve on that situation; gear is not always the best route to get you where you want. Widening the discussion to include the environment is helpful in a lot of cases.

Fair enough on that.

I have great foh sound and crap sound from place to place. Sometimes people tell me it sounded killer, others that I was way low in the mix. Occasionally ill go out in the crowd during the show and its up and down but the gear doesn't change. If it's bad, it's too raspy, too thin, ect.

My thought is to go with a tamer sound out front, hence a different di that what I have being either my svt4 di or sansamp di. I feel like a tube di will send a thicker, warmer "ampeg " type sound out front.

 

[perfektspace6]

I have the REDDI and just bought the Khan...both definitely add warmth and richness to your tone. After having both, I think I slightly prefer the Khan and how it interacts with my signal chain, but both are fantastic. Some folks ears pick it up pretty easy, other it's not as noticeable. The first time I used the REDDI, the guitar player play was like, "whoa, what did you do...that sounds great!"

So is that in a recording settings or live (or both)? I can see it being noticeable when recording. I could see spending that kind of cash on the Khan if it makes a substantial difference. Currently use a Sansamp or run straight out of my Preamp.

 

[micguy]

My thought is to go with a tamer sound out front, hence a different di that what I have being either my svt4 di or sansamp di. I feel like a tube di will send a thicker, warmer "ampeg " type sound out front.

If it''s clinky/clanky stuff getting in the way, I'd suggest something like a Broughton low pass filter to tame that - you get a knob on that unit, which lets you dial in how much clink and clank you pull out - a tube DI may help, but the amount that it does is fixed. If it does too much, you've wasted your money. If it does too little, same problem. How lucky do you feel?

As to the environment issue, when I talk to people about that, my first question is: What's the name of the FOH person? The name doesn't really matter, but if you can't answer the question (too often that's the case), it means you haven't introduced yourself to the FOH person - working with people productively on a gig starts with treating each other as friends, with names and the like.

 

[Afc70]

I think I slightly prefer the Khan and how it interacts with my signal chain,

I’ve got 2 Khan’s (one I leave @ church & the other stays on my pedalboard) and I don’t play without them, they are amazing !

 

[KaseOfBass]

So is that in a recording settings or live (or both)? I can see it being noticeable when recording. I could see spending that kind of cash on the Khan if it makes a substantial difference. Currently use a Sansamp or run straight out of my Preamp.

Both, but primarily live. I use an HX Stomp as my basic preamp, running the SVT model out of it, then into the Khan or REDDI. Everything on stage goes to a split - our IEM console and FOH - so I get the same sound that's being sent to FOH, though I have the option to tweak from the IEM console. While I do tweak my overall stereo IEM mix with some EQ and compression, I don't touch anything for the bass itself. Both the Khan and the REDDI really bring a depth and smoothness to the tone of the HX Stomp that, to me, make the pedalboard rig more like having an actual tube amp pushing things through.

I have a Neve RNDI that I've ran straight direct (no HX Stomp or pedalboard) a few times. It's a great sounding DI, but definitely not as smooth, round, and warm as the Khan or REDDI for that application. But, the main purpose of the Neve was to run in between my V-4B and cab as a speaker level DI capturing the entire output section of the V-4B, and it excels at that for sure.

 

[KaseOfBass]

I’ve got 2 Khan’s (one I leave @ church & the other stays on my pedalboard) and I don’t play without them, they are amazing !

I love my REDDI, but I'm super impressed with the Khan...fantastic tube DI without the bulk of the REDDI. In fact, the REDDI might be on its way to the classifieds soon.

 

[tb-player]

+1 for Khan. I sold my Noble to get the new one and it's excellent. It's my secret sauce.

 

[wolfkeller]

+1 for Khan. I sold my Noble to get the new one and it's excellent. It's my secret sauce.

I've been looking at those. From what I've seen, they bring something good to the direct sound. I was thinking I could run a line from the parallel out on my sansamp right to that and then out to foh.

 

[tb-player]

I've been looking at those. From what I've seen, they bring something good to the direct sound. I was thinking I could run a line from the parallel out on my sansamp right to that and then out to foh.

That would work. I've used it alongside a number of different preamps. In the end, I've settled on an Empress MKii compressor and the Khan and an XLR out to the board. Nothing else. It sounds fantastic... like I'm running through a classic, warm Ampeg. This is my 2nd one and I just love it.

 

[perfektspace6]

Both, but primarily live. I use an HX Stomp as my basic preamp, running the SVT model out of it, then into the Khan or REDDI. Everything on stage goes to a split - our IEM console and FOH - so I get the same sound that's being sent to FOH, though I have the option to tweak from the IEM console. While I do tweak my overall stereo IEM mix with some EQ and compression, I don't touch anything for the bass itself. Both the Khan and the REDDI really bring a depth and smoothness to the tone of the HX Stomp that, to me, make the pedalboard rig more like having an actual tube amp pushing things through.

I have a Neve RNDI that I've ran straight direct (no HX Stomp or pedalboard) a few times. It's a great sounding DI, but definitely not as smooth, round, and warm as the Khan or REDDI for that application. But, the main purpose of the Neve was to run in between my V-4B and cab as a speaker level DI capturing the entire output section of the V-4B, and it excels at that for sure.

Well that blows my mind a little bit. I appreciate the detailed response.

 

[Wasnex]

IMHO it's not worth it, but YMMV. Spending serious duckies on a nice DI will not magically teach the audio tech how to dial in the sound you want. Will it sound better? Maybe, but also maybe not.

If you are running a traditional cab like an Ampeg 810E and send a Post EQ signal from your SVT 4Pro, the sound you hear out front may be representative of the tone coming from the amp. Try sending a Pre EQ signal. You might also ask the audio tech to solo up the channel and listen to it on headphones, so you really know what you are sending.

If the signal you are sending to the board is good, the solution is to use an audio tech who can and will mix the way you want.

 

[wolfkeller]

IMHO it's not worth it, but YMMV. Spending serious duckies on a nice DI will not magically teach the audio tech how to dial in the sound you want. Will it sound better? Maybe, but also maybe not.

If you are running a traditional cab like an Ampeg 810E and send a Post EQ signal from your SVT 4Pro, the sound you hear out front may be representative of the tone coming from the amp. Try sending a Pre EQ signal. You might also ask the audio tech to solo up the channel and listen to it on headphones, so you really know what you are sending.

If the signal you are sending to the board is good, the solution is to use an audio tech who can and will mix the way you want.

Good suggestions but its not feasible to bring our own soundman with us so every night its someone new

 

[JeezyMcNuggles]

Lately I have been feeling like I need a change in my live rig. I run a loud and gritty sound and I always had FOH take a di off my ampeg svt4. Well, I run an od pedal infront of it and have the gain high. Last few shows I noticed it sounded way too clanky abd thin out front. I want a bigger, thicker and warmer sound out there. Even if I go pre eq I'd still get the drive right? So I was thinking of adding a DI before any of that stuff but after the tuner so I can mute. I have several sansamp bddis and an ampeg scrdi I could use but I question if those will get what I want. MAYBE an RBI? I've been looking at the svt di and Khan. Will those give me more of that warmer sound, like my svt cl? Will those produce any grit?

No.

 

[JeezyMcNuggles]

Lately I have been feeling like I need a change in my live rig. I run a loud and gritty sound and I always had FOH take a di off my ampeg svt4. Well, I run an od pedal infront of it and have the gain high. Last few shows I noticed it sounded way too clanky abd thin out front. I want a bigger, thicker and warmer sound out there. Even if I go pre eq I'd still get the drive right? So I was thinking of adding a DI before any of that stuff but after the tuner so I can mute. I have several sansamp bddis and an ampeg scrdi I could use but I question if those will get what I want. MAYBE an RBI? I've been looking at the svt di and Khan. Will those give me more of that warmer sound, like my svt cl? Will those produce any grit?

If you want it not so clanky and thin, use those mid levers to dial up 250 and 500 hz. Dial back 2.5k

Then it will sound more like an svt. Full, meaty, powerful.

 

[Maki_Randy]

Try to create a split signal rig. That way you can have a full bass tone and flavor it with overdrive in the other part of the split signal as much as you want and need..