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Is adhering to the kick drum pattern admired?

Hi guys I’m from Uruguay so Spanish is my tool and I have a question
What really means “in the pocket”?
Somebody can explain it to me ,please with simple words
Thanks
Manuel
 
Hi guys I’m from Uruguay so Spanish is my tool and I have a question
What really means “in the pocket”?
Somebody can explain it to me ,please with simple words
Thanks
Manuel

Playing as one, locked together, in tight synchronisation (able to push, and pull together).

Not hitting the cushion, and rattling around, all over the table - going cleanly in to the pocket, without touching the sides.
 
Hi guys I’m from Uruguay so Spanish is my tool and I have a question
What really means “in the pocket”?
Somebody can explain it to me ,please with simple words
Thanks
Manuel

So, street Spanish:
"En el punto de tiempo, o en la media de dos puntos, con repetición y musicalidad, cuando dos o más partidos diferentes son la misma; la definición segunda es más mejor en jazz o funk."

¡Perdóname!
 
So, street Spanish:
"En el punto de tiempo, o en la media de dos puntos, con repetición y musicalidad, cuando dos o más partidos diferentes son la misma; la definición segunda es más mejor en jazz o funk."

¡Perdóname!
Bravoooo!!!! And thanks for your effort when you write partido you want to say player?
Cheers
Manuel
 


Just came across this wonderful video and a passage reminded me of this topic...

If you start watching at around 16:00, you can hear the story about how drummer Jonathon “Sugarfoot” Moffett (Michael Jackson, Madonna, Elton John, etc) originally wanted to be a bass player. He learned how to play bass drum patterns by trying to play along to and compliment James Jamerson. He developed such a robust right foot technique that he earned his nickname. Wonderful guy to listen to play and speak.
 
I never heard of or tried to "adhere to the bass drum" or for that matter even thought it was a thing for the first 30 years of my playing. I would simply lock in with the drummer and play on...never knowing there was a name and technicality to it.
I learned bass by ear and spent years in jam bands so "playing in the pocket" as it's called, was expected and done.
So, yes I'd have to say I adhere to the kick drum.
 
I honestly find locking into a groove to be overrated. Not in the sense that it isn’t good. It is. But it’s just one of the many ways to arrange music and often can sound boring if that’s all that is done. I’m a songwriter who is very into developing interesting arrangements and I like the bass to carry some kind of melody. Bass lines that anchor to drum beats are often root notes and they bore me after a while. I honestly prefer steady eighths (U2, Pixies, etc.) if you’re going to do a bass trope because at least then you hear the bass and it becomes the pulse of the music. Maybe that’s because of the genres I like, but I like to hear the bass outside of the beat. The drummer already has a beat. I don’t really see why the bass needs to follow it unless the bass needs to disappear for a while.

Ok I get it. It works in some genres, especially in genres where the drummer plays syncopated. But it fails in many others. Can you imagine how ridiculous disco or house would sound if the bassist played four to the floor? In these genres, the bassist almost needs to stay out of the bass drum’s way in order to establish the dance beat. Can you imagine Beatles if Paul locked into Ringo’s groove? It would sound ridiculous.

There are many indie and alt rock songs where drummers play complicated beats inspired by electronic or dance music but the rest of the musicians need to carry a rock groove. The absolute wrong approach in that kind of music is for anyone in the band to even acknowledge when the drummer changes a groove. Radiohead songs are this way.

Locking in with the bass drum, it’s just like one of what I think of as three basic ways to play. You can lock in with the drummer. Or you can set your own steady rhythm independently of the drum beat. Or you can establish your own melodic center that perhaps is not rhythmically based. I think of those three as equally preferable in music.
 
BTW, I really hate that phrase "locked in." That implies only playing when the bass drum plays, and who the hell does that at all times every time? I prefer the phrase "keeping good time."

This. In the pocket isn't about being constrained or limited to metronomic time keeping.

Pocket is about conveying a pulse, with attitude, in partnership with the rest of the rhythm section. All three parts of that mission matter.
 
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I honestly find locking into a groove to be overrated. Not in the sense that it isn’t good. It is. But it’s just one of the many ways to arrange music and often can sound boring if that’s all that is done. I’m a songwriter who is very into developing interesting arrangements and I like the bass to carry some kind of melody. Bass lines that anchor to drum beats are often root notes and they bore me after a while. I honestly prefer steady eighths (U2, Pixies, etc.) if you’re going to do a bass trope because at least then you hear the bass and it becomes the pulse of the music. Maybe that’s because of the genres I like, but I like to hear the bass outside of the beat. The drummer already has a beat. I don’t really see why the bass needs to follow it unless the bass needs to disappear for a while.

Ok I get it. It works in some genres, especially in genres where the drummer plays syncopated. But it fails in many others. Can you imagine how ridiculous disco or house would sound if the bassist played four to the floor? In these genres, the bassist almost needs to stay out of the bass drum’s way in order to establish the dance beat. Can you imagine Beatles if Paul locked into Ringo’s groove? It would sound ridiculous.

There are many indie and alt rock songs where drummers play complicated beats inspired by electronic or dance music but the rest of the musicians need to carry a rock groove. The absolute wrong approach in that kind of music is for anyone in the band to even acknowledge when the drummer changes a groove. Radiohead songs are this way.

Locking in with the bass drum, it’s just like one of what I think of as three basic ways to play. You can lock in with the drummer. Or you can set your own steady rhythm independently of the drum beat. Or you can establish your own melodic center that perhaps is not rhythmically based. I think of those three as equally preferable in music.

Agreed. Folks need to remember that there are no definites in music, nor should there be. In some instances, locking in with the bass drum rhythm could actually be the lamest choice possible. Its the contrast between the instruments that make the whole interesting in many cases, and that goes for the bass and drum relationship too.
 
The first time I went to the studio I had just turned 14 and had been playing a couple of years, but didn’t really know what I was doing.

After a few takes the producer took me and the drummer outside, sat us down and explained that when the kick is hit, there should be a bass note, a root note usually. He called it “tightening up.”

I listened to Rush non stop, noticing that Neil’s kick and geddys bass were “tight.” I make it a point, in the past 42 years, of listening, tuning in the drums... esp the kick. There’s nothing like locking in and hammering the heavy end with a great drummer.
 
It all depends on the feeling at every moment. Sometimes I drop right into what a drummer established and at other times I hear a counterpoint to what the percussionist are doing. Just as they use their ears to react to what I am doing. More often than not we develop a nice pulse
 
"The Pocket" Definition: imaginary place in music where bassist (and other instruments) submit themselves looking for comfort: instead of dealing with rhythm and melody, they would only manage the melody and feel good, while the complexities of rhythm are dealt with by another instrument.

One of the main by-products of getting in the pocket, is that bassists also become invisible; they blend into the mix so well that often are mistaken with the background.

Paradoxically, bassist seem to resent this invisibility to levels that are proportional to how much they like staying in the pocket. It is an strange world.