Is adhering to the kick drum pattern admired?

[IamGroot]

And then you too shall learn the sound of 1 hand clapping

More like, learn the rules before you break them. I don't stare at my navel much.

 

[zachoff]

I try to play to the song, not necessarily the drums, but the drums are a big damn part of the song.

 

[squidtastic]

Do you think I’m okay having this aspiration or not?

You're ok having any aspiration you want. Music is art, and like any art form, it's about self expression, so there's no right or wrong. Do what feels/sounds good to you.

 

[JMacBass65]

Not boring, simply bada$$!!

 

[squidtastic]

Listen to this Bootsy classic. The kick is relentlessly straight, which was indicative of the genre/era. He played all around the kick, sometimes landing on it, more often not.


And this Parliament classic. Again, kick is really straight, but Worrell is all over the place... and it sounds great!


And something from this millenium which has a very similar aesthetic to old-school funk. Busy bass on the verse/chorus, then straight on the bridge where the syncopated kick becomes more noticeable.


I love hearing the interplay between bass and kick. Of course, there are times when it makes sense for them to be much more synced up. Just depends.

 

[Rudyboy98]

The drummer is the timekeeper, the guitarist may be the showman, the singer- the frontman..,but YOU my friend..are the bass man. You absorb every note, heard and unheard, and connect the area in between space and time- and create bass lines.

The low end is part of everything around you. Much like the will and the word, or the force that binds us all together...

So then, the drummer can be your best friend on stage as long as whatever you play or don’t, compliments his or her playing!

 

[Whousedtoplay]

Thank you, I appreciate it. Definitely something I’ve been working more on in recent years.

This morning, I clicked your provided link to Facebook and listened to your new song, "Could Have Been".
I really liked it. A solidly crafted melodious song with lots of potential.
It's so nice that at TB we have musicians who write/create new Music.

 

[Pbassmanca]

So many people talk about playing what the bass drum plays.
Whats even sweeter is when the bass drum plays what you play.
Know the difference.

Now that's a good insight.... I've played with a lot of drummers over the decades, but no drummer was as synced and attentive to the drummer - bass player relationship as my good friend Dwayne Christie, who is the drummer for the band "Wildlife". We started playing together and jamming in our teen years and spent many hundreds of hours just practicing listening to each other lay down grooves and being attentive to which nuances and changes might randomly be thrown in. To this day I have not played with another drummer with who I can have such a spontaneous and nuanced musical conversation. I sure miss playing with that guy!

 

[Reedt2000]

Now that's a good insight.... I've played with a lot of drummers over the decades, but no drummer was as synced and attentive to the drummer - bass player relationship as my good friend Dwayne Christie, who is the drummer for the band "Wildlife". We started playing together and jamming in our teen years and spent many hundreds of hours just practicing listening to each other lay down grooves and being attentive to which nuances and changes might randomly be thrown in. To this day I have not played with another drummer with who I can have such a spontsneous and nuanced musical conversation. I sure miss playing with that guy!

I play in two bands with a friend of mine who does much the same thing. I don't know if its because we're personal friends, have similar musical influences, or just haved played together for quite some time now, but there is a connection between our roles in these bands based on paying attention to one another. He acts as time keeper and I focus on his tempo and accents. He listens to my lines and licks and plays on and off of them. We both regularly go to improv a fill and find the other is following, accenting, or complementing it totally on the fly and not necessarily ever exactly the same thing twice.

 

[Groove Doctor]

Reggae turns everything upside down. Kick drum on 2 & 4??? Whoa!

Hol Nutha Level !!

 

[Clef_de_fa]

You can have a nice groove without a drum as long as everyone is in synch. And ... everything must synch together it isn't something for only the bass and drum.

 

[Nephilymbass]

This morning, I clicked your provided link to Facebook and listened to your new song, "Could Have Been".
I really liked it. A solidly crafted melodious song with lots of potential.
It's so nice that at TB we have musicians who write/create new Music.

Thanks i really appreciate it. That song is actually a couple years old now. We recorded it in 2016. We just recently put the video on FB because they’ve been throttling the hell out of everyone posting YouTube links on Facebook because YouTube is owned by google which FB competes with and having better jobs these days we care more about getting our music out there than making money. The video we did after could have been has been on YouTube for at least a year and only got a couple hundred views on YouTube, I posted that one directly to Facebook and within like two days it had ten times as many views on FB as it does on YouTube. Anywho if you like Could Have Been, keep an eye out for the new album we put out at the end of the year. Could of been is definitely a better indicator of the direction the band is going style wise. The new songs we’ve been working on we’re putting a lot more focus into songwriting. I think our singer is on fire right now as far as writing lyrics and hooks for the new material. For a long time he was a bit too artsy I think. Using too many metaphors and stuff instead of being as open and literal. He’s also at a point where he’s fired up/pissed off about our band not being more successful so he’s opening up a lot more in the new songs and I think It makes the songs much easier to relate to.

 

[IamGroot]

Awesome

 

[drumvsbass]

Very interesting indeed.
Are you saying that the drummer must follow the bass player's "I-play-random-notes-phrases/anything-I-want" impromptu bass lines?

Composing a kick pattern to accentuate your melodic line. If you're playing free jazz it's unlikely (but not impossible) that the kick and bass are going to be doing the lock and groove type of thing. But if you're composing songs, why write a bass line that is confined to the Drummers right foot? Their right foot should (or could) follow and accentuate what your melodic choice is. Giving more shape to the notes that you want accented.

 

[drumvsbass]

As for this idea "Let the guitarist do the shredding," yeah, bass players should never have any fun, never stand out in any way, shape or form, they should stand at the back of the stage with their back turned, and preferably wear all black so nobody sees them.

THIS!!! Too funny.

 

[Whousedtoplay]

Composing a kick pattern to accentuate your melodic line. If you're playing free jazz it's unlikely (but not impossible) that the kick and bass are going to be doing the lock and groove type of thing. But if you're composing songs, why write a bass line that is confined to the Drummers right foot? Their right foot should (or could) follow and accentuate what your melodic choice is. Giving more shape to the notes that you want accented.

The kick pattern is our rhythmic foundation. ]
Generically-speaking, I can - kind of - agree with the "direction" of your comment.
I have a slightly different vision of the drum/bass pattern-based interaction, its variations, its developments, etc...
And I don't talk about jazz drumming.
Some interesting reads about beginning jazz drumming.

How to Play Jazz Drums

A simple nice article about jazz drumming.
http://www.volusiagig.com/music/Historyjazzdrumming.pdf

 

[Whousedtoplay]

And I must say ... rythm guitar or just guitar is kinda more important than us.

I think somehow, unintentionally, you have said an important thing that is "seriously" missed at TB.
It's the role of the rhythm guitar in the rhythm section, including "staying in pocket", etc...
One of the missing statements about the bass player "playing in the pocket" with the bass drum is this.
What is the rhythm guitar doing during that strongly/clearly pronounced bass "locking" with the bass drum/kick drum?
As we know, that huge impulse of double kick/bass sound should be offset by "something", which is either the rhythm guitar or other rhythmically-functioning instrument like a keyboard, piano, maybe some rhythmic horn section, or some extra percussion lines, etc...
I'm not good with those "special terms". Some use nice sounding "nebulous" terms like "negative rhythm."
For those who are interested, here is the same song played with and without the integrally-waived into the groove rhythm guitar.

Here is a version without the integrally-waived into the groove rhythm guitar.
And, as a consequence, a superbly-grooving and "in the Pocket" bass player - Verdine White cannot deliver the overall groove.
And it's not HIS FAULT. It has NOTHING to do with his POCKET.
Where is the proper rhythm guitar like in the best of EW&F hits?
Therefore, while we are talking about that "kick/bass" locking, we cannot forget about the rest of the rhythm section, its parts, etc...



Here is a version of the same song that I LIKE IT.
The bass notes/pattern/line is almost identical but...
We have a RHYTHM guitar part properly arranged to fit/suit our "in the pocket" bass line.




Do you feel the difference that properly arranged rhythm guitar could make?

 

[Clef_de_fa]

THIS!!! Too funny.

 

[Clef_de_fa]

I think somehow, unintentionally, you have said an important thing that is "seriously" missed at TB.
It's the role of the rhythm guitar in the rhythm section, including "staying in pocket", etc...
One of the missing statements about the bass player "playing in the pocket" with the bass drum is this.
What is the rhythm guitar doing during that strongly/clearly pronounced bass "locking" with the bass drum/kick drum?
As we know, that huge impulse of double kick/bass sound should be offset by "something", which is either the rhythm guitar or other rhythmically-functioning instrument like a keyboard, piano, maybe some rhythmic horn section, or some extra percussion lines, etc...
I'm not good with those "special terms". Some use nice sounding "nebulous" terms like "negative rhythm."
For those who are interested, here is the same song played with and without the integrally-waived into the groove rhythm guitar.

Here is a version without the integrally-waived into the groove rhythm guitar.
And, as a consequence, a superbly-grooving and "in the Pocket" bass player - Verdine White cannot deliver the overall groove.
And it's not HIS FAULT. It has NOTHING to do with his POCKET.
Where is the proper rhythm guitar like in the best of EW&F hits?
Therefore, while we are talking about that "kick/bass" locking, we cannot forget about the rest of the rhythm section, its parts, etc...



Here is a version of the same song that I LIKE IT.
The bass notes/pattern/line is almost identical but...
We have a RHYTHM guitar part properly arranged to fit/suit our "in the pocket" bass line.



Do you feel the difference that properly arranged rhythm guitar could make?

Yeah I liked the guitar on the second video which was quite absent in the first.

I also don't like the term "rythm guitar" but hey whatever will makes me understood.

 

[IamGroot]

I guess Jim Carey has a musical son who is equally annoying. He needs a straight jacket and an enema (in that order).