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Is Fender American worth it?

Fellow Brit Chris B had a valid point earlier this year. All Fenders are FMIC.

They decide the specs,materials,unit cost and place of build.
It's their factories where the products are build and their QC
They then take those instruments and sell them.
They are there at the start and finish of production

If MIM is inferior to MIA then it's a business decision. Why would a company knowingly turn out an inferior product ?

Can anyone gave a reason. Remember FMIC call the shots here,it's their brand after all.

This is a part of the story, for sure.

I was in a company that manufactured things both in the US and in Taiwan, who then sold these products to large distributors, who sold to dealers, who sold to consumers. It was pointed out to me that....BEFORE the product hit the retail customer (in this, case, the end-user musician) it had to be SOLD at least four or five times. Our internal marketing analysis had to "sell" a product to the board, the board negotiated a price from the suppliers, and sold these manufactured products to the distributors, who sold them to the shops, who sold them to the customers.

The point being, at every level, the product had to be viably profitable. The parts manufacturers had to make money, the distributiors had to make money, the dealers had to make money, right on down the line. if ANY of these levels didn;t think it was WORTH it, the product would simple not exist, it would never make it to market.

So, although we are focusing on mainly just our personal, end-user views on whether we think American made Fenders are "worth it", I can assure you that every other level in this process... from FMIC market research to the final users... have determined that they ARE worth it, or ...trust me... they would NOT exist, at least not for long.
 
I guess one thing I always wonder about is 70% of all FMIC products get sold in the US so if folks buy a MIM they perceive as inferior
they'll then go buy MIA next. No problem there but if the MIM is purposely built inferior then there's a patriotic aspect being exploited.

That would bother me.
 
I guess one thing I always wonder about is 70% of all FMIC products get sold in the US so if folks buy a MIM they perceive as inferior
they'll then go buy MIA next. No problem there but if the MIM is purposely built inferior then there's a patriotic aspect being exploited.

That would bother me.

The road worn is ugly for a reason.

The classic 50s/60s lacquer only comes in one color and doesn't have rolled fingerboard edges for a reason.

It's to protect their product line.

If the road worn p wasn't ugly it would directly compete with the avri 57.

They're not stupid.
 
I don't see it so much meet a price point. Take graphite rods for example Stew/Mac charges $6 so I doubt Fender pay $1.50 for them,MIM necks are produced
in the US. Would it really cost so much for them on MIM ? ditto the rolled finger board, it's 2 passes with a sander !
 
I just took 2 recent model Fender basses in trade,one was an AM STD Jazz,the other a MIM P bass.
World of difference in the 2,the frets on the P bass are really rough and protruding. It seems pretty nice overall,but the J bass was a revelation to a guy who has avoided Fender basses in general for about 10 years. (My last Fender was a '68 Tele). I think the J bass i just got is one of the best playing and best sounding Fenders i've owned. (I previously have owned a '66 J,and a '75 J,as well.)
And the consensus on the recent AM STD model P and J basses seems to be very positive.
 
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I just took 2 recent model Fender basses in trade,one was an AM STD Jazz,the other a MIM P bass.
World of difference in the 2,the frets on the P bass are really rough and protruding. It seems pretty nice overall,but the J bass was a revelation to a guy who has avoided Fender basses in general for about 10 years. (My last Fender was a '68 Tele). I think the J bass i just got is one of the best playing and best sounding Fenders i've owned. (I previously have owned a '66 J,and a '75 J,as well.)
And the consensus on the recent AM STD model P and J basses seems to be very positive.
Agreed! I've played Fenders for 45 years, and my 2012 American Standard Jazz is leaps & bounds better than any Fender bass I played in the 1970's. Don't even talk to me about the rancid 80's. I never played a 90's Fender.
 
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Agreed! I've played Fenders for 45 years, and my 2012 American Standard Jazz is leaps & bounds better than any Fender bass I played in the 1970's. Don't even talk to me about the rancid 80's. I never played a 90's Fender.
Yeah,i'm always picking things up in music stores,and having a quick kernoodle,just to try to keep current a bit.
The J bass i just got is a 2013,and i'm loving it,especially the newer features,like the Custom shop pickups,the updated bridge with body through stringing,and the newer design tuners.
 
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Yeah,i'm always picking things up in music stores,and having a quick kernoodle,just to try to keep current a bit.
The J bass i just got is a 2013,and i'm loving it,especially the newer features,like the Custom shop pickups,the updated bridge with body through stringing,and the newer design tuners.
Even more agreement! The Custom Shop pickups are the very best jazz up's I've ever heard. At first I thought it was most probably marketing hype, but NO they are the Real Deal. I'd never even consider switching them out. EVER! :thumbsup:
 
Even more agreement! The Custom Shop pickups are the very best jazz up's I've ever heard. At first I thought it was most probably marketing hype, but NO they are the Real Deal. I'd never even consider switching them out. EVER! :thumbsup:

I agree with Mr. Linnin totally about the CS60's. I won't switch them out either. And, yes, Am. Std.'s are worth it.
 
Another fan of CS60's the best P pickup I've heard. Yesterday (09/01/15) I spent the afternoon, just wandering round the guitar shops in my town. I played on both the MIM & the MIA Precision & I don't know if it was because I own one, but the neck on the MIA just felt right to me "but" that doesn't diminish the MIM in any way.
 
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No one asked,but anyways,here's the 2 Fenders i was talking about for lookie-loos.
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@woodyng2

The neck on your P bass was made and sent out from the California plant.
It's back to why are they sending inferior products out in the first place unless it's deliberate.

Mim head stocks are a little thinner than Mia

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That caliper showing the difference in the pic.

Why?
If they all come from the same factory why make the mim ones with a thinner head?

It can't possibly be so they could use less wood.

Is that the only way they'd be able to differentiate a mim neck from a Mia neck after production?

Fret work aside.

Fret work on my road worn p is perfect.
Fret ends on my classic 60s jazz was like playing a cheese grater, had to have the frets done.
 
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I guess one thing I always wonder about is 70% of all FMIC products get sold in the US so if folks buy a MIM they perceive as inferior
they'll then go buy MIA next. No problem there but if the MIM is purposely built inferior then there's a patriotic aspect being exploited.

That would bother me.

The whole concept or MIM and MIA seems a little corporate influenced to me, especially since they've already got Squire to handle their low-end affordable instruments. But it works and their marketing analysts have done their research, sneaky little bastards.

The only reason I'm leaning towards a Fender MIA Fretless is because I like Jaco and it'd be cool to own a Fender, mainly because Fenders are timeless and reputated for good bass manufacturing, kind of like Gibson for guitars. My only other option if I don't find a good deal on a used is to probably custom build a fretless jb with Carvin or something. I can get more aesthetically, electronically and add an extra string and I'd still be paying less than I would for MIA, but it's still not the timeless bass Jaco ripped with.
 
@woodyng2

The neck on your P bass was made and sent out from the California plant.
It's back to why are they sending inferior products out in the first place unless it's deliberate.

Of course it's deliberate. Do you really expect any manufacturer to offer the same exact features, and same exact level of quality, on their mid-priced products as they do on their higher priced flagship products? Who does that?

Are you implying this multi-tiered, universally applied pricing strategy is somehow "unethical"?

Ibanez operates the same way (everyone does, even your beloved Peavey), are they also sneaky robber barons, too? Or just the Big Bad Evil Fender?
 
I guess one thing I always wonder about is 70% of all FMIC products get sold in the US so if folks buy a MIM they perceive as inferior
they'll then go buy MIA next. No problem there but if the MIM is purposely built inferior then there's a patriotic aspect being exploited.

That would bother me.

Illogical. Allow me to clear away some of the cobb webs.

There is no "patriotic exploitation" factor precisely because the MIM instrument is "purposely built inferior" (sic)....or more aptly worded, the USA instrument is "intentionally built to a higher quality standard".

If the USA and MIM were of the same quality, but still priced disparately...then you make case for exploitation.....maybe. But as it stands, the extra money for a USA Fender is for tangible improvements in quality, even if it's only for better wood, hardware, and elecs.

Whether or not it's "worth it" is up to the individual. And as someone mentioned earlier, if you can't discern the difference then it's probably not worth the extra money.
 
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@Templar

If boldly calling something " American Standard " and charging twice as much for minimal improvements isn't aimed at patriotic feeling then
I don't know what is.

Now we're just going to go round in circles,repeating the same things in a pointless exercise so I'll bow out and leave the last word to you.