Must be some kind of regional colloquialism. Maybe rural. Goes along with people calling an acoustic guitar a "box," or worse yet, a "guit-box." Gggrrr...
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Is having a "nice roll" underrated as a bassist?
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Must be some kind of regional colloquialism. Maybe rural. Goes along with people calling an acoustic guitar a "box," or worse yet, a "guit-box." Gggrrr...
Swinging isn’t something every player does well or naturally. And I, too, have noticed that this includes players with far more training and knowledge of theory than I have. I think it allows me to punch above my weight class among the musical company I keep.
Count your blessings.
Count your blessings.
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Being able to coax sounds from a bass because one is able to play another stringed instrument and therefore familiar with the concept is one thing.
Being able to play the bass is another.
Furthermore, there are things like talent, ear, feeling and the ability to identify the role of an instrument in an ensemble.
I know quite a few people that have, compared to me, about a tenth of the time invested in practicing bass, yet surpass my abilities in some regards.
I also know a few people that have decades of practice under their belt, yet are unable to carry a tune without help.
Being able to play the bass is another.
Furthermore, there are things like talent, ear, feeling and the ability to identify the role of an instrument in an ensemble.
I know quite a few people that have, compared to me, about a tenth of the time invested in practicing bass, yet surpass my abilities in some regards.
I also know a few people that have decades of practice under their belt, yet are unable to carry a tune without help.
Only people who are drunk compliment me on my playing. So I pay it no mind.
I have no earthly idea what you’re talking about.
I've read every post in this thread and I still don't know what the OP means by a "roll."
It seems like he's talking about repeating a single note over and over, maybe like a quarter note, but doing it with a subtle groove. Is that close?
Someone who knows should post a video demonstrating a bass roll so we can all get on the same page.
It seems like he's talking about repeating a single note over and over, maybe like a quarter note, but doing it with a subtle groove. Is that close?
Someone who knows should post a video demonstrating a bass roll so we can all get on the same page.
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Yes, very important IMO. No amount of flashy techniques will make you a great bass player if you don't have mastered the basics of a nice "roll". Or whatever you choose to call it... groove, timing, the ability to stay "in the pocket", control over dynamics... or as I like to call it, a nice "bounce". Yeah, that's even worse than "roll".
Maybe he means role, like his role in the band.
Some told me I had a nice muffin top. That's the same thing, right?
"Roll" or "Role"?
Either way, I'm glad that you have one.
Here is a picture of Esther Rolle...
Either way, I'm glad that you have one.
Here is a picture of Esther Rolle...
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I'm going to guess, because I had no idea how to interpret that 'roll' thing either, but there IS a way...
The phrase 'roll with it' seems to get close. So habit, being relaxed about it, but not to the point of numbskulled insensitivity. Got to be some passion, or it isn't even music anymore.
Some people like risk and a bit of flash in a bass player, others want the sound to be like a safe and well-worn road. The best players seem able to do both at the same time, so there's skill, lots of practise, love of what's being done, etc. The biggest way to wreck that comfort of a steady groove is to overreach, to do too much, so some set great store in doing as little as possible while still maintaining that 'roll'.
Personally that would bore me rigid but I can sort of see the point, but a good riff is more effective than working on a single note. Good ostinatos, ground bass, is a very old idea... When a player is comfortable with the mechanics of the instrument, and playing to its strengths, audiences get it, whether they know the instrument or not, they've nearly all heard it when it works, so they do know when it's working, or when it's not.
Last but not least, it's funny, that everyone knows what ROCK is, but not ROLL. So how exactly has 'rock and roll' been defined, all these years?!
The phrase 'roll with it' seems to get close. So habit, being relaxed about it, but not to the point of numbskulled insensitivity. Got to be some passion, or it isn't even music anymore.
Some people like risk and a bit of flash in a bass player, others want the sound to be like a safe and well-worn road. The best players seem able to do both at the same time, so there's skill, lots of practise, love of what's being done, etc. The biggest way to wreck that comfort of a steady groove is to overreach, to do too much, so some set great store in doing as little as possible while still maintaining that 'roll'.
Personally that would bore me rigid but I can sort of see the point, but a good riff is more effective than working on a single note. Good ostinatos, ground bass, is a very old idea... When a player is comfortable with the mechanics of the instrument, and playing to its strengths, audiences get it, whether they know the instrument or not, they've nearly all heard it when it works, so they do know when it's working, or when it's not.Last but not least, it's funny, that everyone knows what ROCK is, but not ROLL.
So how exactly has 'rock and roll' been defined, all these years?!
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The OP means hanging on a single note but swinging or shuffling it like you might use in a blues.
Guitar and bass are two different skill sets. What looks easy isn't always so.
Guitar and bass are two different skill sets. What looks easy isn't always so.
Yes, very important IMO. No amount of flashy techniques will make you a great bass player if you don't have mastered the basics of a nice "roll". Or whatever you choose to call it... groove, timing, the ability to stay "in the pocket", control over dynamics... or as I like to call it, a nice "bounce". Yeah, that's even worse than "roll".
Good description, but I see it as a 'base of operations'. Some good legato line can come out of it, and probably should, bass being the binding between rhythm and melody. Even in songs where it's not ostentatious, it's usually there. True monotony with nothing but subtle rhythm isn't very common. Usually only done deliberately, for its own effect (builds tension), and rarely for long.
I clicked on this only because I have no idea what having a "nice roll" could possibly mean in this context.
Google 'Rolling the Bass' not sure it is what OP was talking about in roundabout manor.
But it is a thing in production mainly Techno/Electronic Music
Outside of Tecno maybe kick/Bass [Just A note] that carries Eminem's 'Lose Yourself'
I do apologize for 'not' mocking OP's Original post to continue the Fun
But it is a thing in production mainly Techno/Electronic Music
Outside of Tecno maybe kick/Bass [Just A note] that carries Eminem's 'Lose Yourself'
I do apologize for 'not' mocking OP's Original post to continue the Fun
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