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Is it just me or ...? Neo content

#81
agedhorse said:
many Neo designs don't attempt to emulate or copy the same old tone footprints, but attempt to find some new territory where designers have always wanted to go but simply couldn't because of limitations in ceramic magnet drivers (and other things).

While I have designed some neo based speaker cabinets that cut new ground, I have also taken existing designs that had limitations that were unavoidable and used neo drivers to overcome these limitations to expand on the work I have already (successfully) done. The Subway cabinets area good example of this, taking the Powerhouse concept to a new level in weight and mechanical power handling yet remaining in the same tonal family. It was intentional that we made the mids a bit more polite, the low end a little rounder and fatter, and the inherent distortion while keeping the overdrive friendly character. Otherwise, if the Powerhouse is more your cup of tea, and the weight isn't an issue, there's nothing at all wrong with them. DIFFERENT approaches to a similar (nut not the same) goals.
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Love my Subways, I’ll never go back to heavy cabs...
 
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#83
StatesideRambler said:
Just curious: Is there any reason to care what materials were used in making the speakers before you listen to them? (It's a troll question, I'm sure but it nags at me.)
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The "best" materials are going to have the longest factory warranty. From manufacturers who actually have good warranty service centers. They probably won't have off the shelf drivers you can buy yourself so they need to have good warranty service. Speakers are just kind of out there, the user can plug in whatever amp they want, so a real warranty has actual testing to back it up.
 
#85
Bodeanly said:
Once I discovered that the sound guy does whatever he wants to my tone, I stopped schlepping heavy cabs. No more waiting for people to help load in/ out. I’m like a ghost. A ninja. Now you see me, now you...
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I discovered that in most cases a respectful conversation and they will get you sounding like you. Give them a noisefree strong proper voltage signal with your tone and they love it. This is why some people carry Reddis Moniques etc even if they have or don’t have a rig. Give them a sterile DI out that doesn’t sound like what you hear from your cab and then expect them to craft it when they’ve never heard you before and have limited time, is asking a lot. Many engineers mic cabs too so do you like what you sound like? Do you know best mic placement for your cab? Many engineers want to do what you want because it means less guess work for them.
 
#86
chadds said:
I discovered that in most cases a respectful conversation and they will get you sounding like you. Give them a noisefree strong proper voltage signal with your tone and they love it. This is why some people carry Reddis Moniques etc even if they have or don’t have a rig. Give them a sterile DI out that doesn’t sound like what you hear from your cab and then expect them to craft it when they’ve never heard you before and have limited time, is asking a lot. Many engineers mic cabs too so do you like what you sound like? Do you know best mic placement for your cab? Many engineers want to do what you want because it means less guess work for them.
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I love the sound I get from my NEO cabs and that’s important for me as far as stage volume is concerned, but I also trust every engineer we work with. The tone I like may not work for the room, so all I can do is run a line from my pre and trust that the sound man will do his job. And I’m okay with this.
 
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#87
NOVAX said:
I've said it before and I will say it again: Schlepping gear is good for you.
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Get back to us in another 20 or 30 years when your body has had enough of you being "good to it" and starts to fall apart and tell us whether you still think the same.
NOVAX said:
If a gig is upstairs with bad parking I'm going ampless anyway.
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Good for you, we don't all get the choice to go ampless.
 
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#88
delta7fred said:
Get back to us in another 20 or 30 years when your body has had enough of you being "good to it" and starts to fall apart and tell us whether you still think the same.

Good for you, we don't all get the choice to go ampless.
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(I appreciate your fighting all sides at once :laugh:)
 
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#90
baxter_x said:
Yes they do, but I always rely on my rig. So it has to push enough so that I can hear and feel my soud.
Do you think the subways might be able to do that?
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Depends on how loud and how low you need to go to achieve your own needs, I don't know what you consider loud or low.

We have some guys touring with 4 x 115's, and Les Claypool toured with 2 x 115's and 2 x 112's driven by 2 Subway D-80's using the effects send and return link method (described in the manual) and he was playing some pretty big stages in front of pretty big audiences.
 
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#91
agedhorse said:
Depends on how loud and how low you need to go to achieve your own needs, I don't know what you consider loud or low.
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I'm pretty barbarian about that. I cranck massive low to feel it, and usually play loud. I play bass because I crave the deep sound this instrument produces. SO I have a "need" to hear and feel it.

agedhorse said:
2 Subway D-80's using the effects send and return link method
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One master amp and the second is slave?
 
#92
baxter_x said:
I'm pretty barbarian about that. I cranck massive low to feel it, and usually play loud. I play bass because I crave the deep sound this instrument produces. SO I have a "need" to hear and feel it.


One master amp and the second is slave?
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Yes, if you need loud this is what I would recommend. No alternative to "enough rig for the gig"
 
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#96
agedhorse said:
No they are loaded with ceramic drivers. I don't have that exact information with me, but I think the 210 is about 96.5dB/1W/1M average sensitivity. I don't recall the other specs, but if call customer service on Monday, they can find out for you. My lab is in a different location from manufacturing and support.
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Thanks much for the prompt response. I was doing a comparison to my Eden cabs, and was surprised the weight of Mesa and my Eden cabs were pretty similar. No need to pursue further. Thanks again.
 
#97
dbsfgyd1 said:
Thanks much for the prompt response. I was doing a comparison to my Eden cabs, and was surprised the weight of Mesa and my Eden cabs were pretty similar. No need to pursue further. Thanks again.
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The Subways use Neo drivers and are much lighter.
 
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Thanks for the link, but it does not state the efficiency, or the frequency range for that matter. Actually, I’ve been to the site before and could not find this information, which is why I’d though I’d give you a try. Listen, I’ve taken enough of your time. Thanks much.
 

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