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Is it wrong?

#82
Some of you are just not listening with the right ears...

I bought his CD Punk Jazz and I really didn't like it at all. Then a friend gave me a copy of his "birthday party" album it didn't even sound like the same person and I love it. His solo album and that one is the ones I listen to the most.

How can you not like come on, come over?

You may hate Jaco, but I hate threads like these..IMO they are rude and very disrespectful to others.
 
#84
FenderHotRod said:
How can you not like come on, come over?
You may hate Jaco, but I hate threads like these..IMO they are rude and very disrespectful to others.
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DeliriumTrigger said:
It's all personal opinion, so there is no wrong answer. Though, no one can disagree that he was a huge influence to many people.
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+1 Hating on a dead guy = wasted effort. If you don't like his music, ignore it.
 
#87
I used to think Jaco was no big deal - didn't influence me - and didn't kick as much ass as GEDDY or CLIFF!!

It's been said here before - I think the people with this mentality just haven't really digested much of his work. I had a bass teacher show me Jaco's cover of Charlie Parker's "Donna Lee" when I was about 16 - and it just sounded RANDOM to me - totally non-musical. And of course, it wasn't until I started learning about jazz and slowly learning the head to Donna Lee did I get it - Jaco was mindnumbing in the way he deftly moved through that tune. Turns out, it wasn't random at all - it was just way over my head when I was 16 and new to the instrument.

I too used to feel insulted when people would say - "oh yeah - if you get a fretless you'll just play like Jaco." That pissed me off SO BAD that I actually made a conscious effort NOT to listen to Jaco for the first TWO years that I played fretless! So who did I listen to? Gary Willis. And guess what? Gary loved Jaco. HA!

I'm right there with the argument that if you play the bass you have been influenced by Jaco's legacy. You may not like Jaco's music or his playing or his tone - but why are so many of you guys uncomfortable with his influence on you? So what! Just move on and make some of your own music. Don't get so caught up with the notion of originality. IT'S BEEN DONE. That sweet harmonic lick that you played WAY before you heard of Jaco . . . still indirectly Jaco. Sorry! But that's OK you guys! Just be thankful there was a genius musician who came before you that paved the way for you to throw that harmonic lick into your band's tune!

So if someone says "Wow man - you sound like you've listened to some Jaco," just say "Thank you."

Ian
 
#88
artiseasy said:
I'm right there with the argument that if you play the bass you have been influenced by Jaco's legacy.
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If I commit murder does that mean that I'm influenced by others that have committed such an act before me?


Every Bassist is not influenced by Jaco directly or indirectly.

there are some super talented bassist out here that have never heard of Jaco and there are some who have and could care less about his playing and his contribution to the instrument.
 
#89
It's silly to hate Jaco. Why waste all that emotion? I don't think he's as good as quite a few living bassists, and I like his fretted style far better than the fretless stuff that seems to be the big attraction. He was a pioneer and trend-setter for sure, though, and I think that's more important than his technical skills.
 
#90
JAUQO III-X said:
If I commit murder does that mean that I'm influenced by others that have committed such an act before me?


Every Bassist is not influenced by Jaco directly or indirectly.

there are some super talented bassist out here that have never heard of Jaco and there are some who have and could care less about his playing and his contribution to the instrument.
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You're influenced by everything you've ever heard. Thats just the nature of the human mind. You don't get to choose what you are influenced by. Once you hear it, it becomes part of you. You may choose to emulate, choose to never play like that or just park it away in your subconscious, thinking it had no effect. Whichever you do, the influence is felt.

That said, there are certain players (Jamerson, Graham, Macca, Jaco, Entwistle and MANY others) whose influence on Western music is so huge that no one who ever played after them is void of their influence. It simply is not possible, and to deny it is either foolish or vain.
 
#92
beggar98 said:
You're influenced by everything you've ever heard. Thats just the nature of the human mind. You don't get to choose what you are influenced by. Once you hear it, it becomes part of you. You may choose to emulate, choose to never play like that or just park it away in your subconscious, thinking it had no effect. Whichever you do, the influence is felt.

That said, there are certain players (Jamerson, Graham, Macca, Jaco, Entwistle and MANY others) whose influence on Western music is so huge that no one who ever played after them is void of their influence. It simply is not possible, and to deny it is either foolish or vain.
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I would have to respectfully disagree and I'm not at all foolish or vain :D
 
#93
Basshappi said:
I don't feel that it's a good thing to "hate" anyone!

There are many excellent bassplayers in the world. It is unrealistic to believe that everyone will like (or dislike) a particular player.

I also think that it doesn't benefit us as musicians to catgorically reject a style of music or specific players. Because I believe that there are valuable insights into our instrument that we would be denying ourselves if we do.

If you have really listened to a particular player and found nothing of value to yourself, then by all means move on. But there is no reason to "hate" or denigrate that player.


After all, it's all just vibrations in the air. :)
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+1
 
#94
JAUQO III-X said:
If I commit murder does that mean that I'm influenced by others that have committed such an act before me?QUOTE]

Absolutely. You're a product of your environment. So in this extreme case, your decision or motivation to take a life would be a result of other crimes, criminals, and societal unjusts that came before you. That's the way the world works.

That said - I understand it's cool to hate someone that everyone else loves. You hear people pontificating away about how WONDERFUL this or that is - how INFLUENTIAL this or that is. Kinda makes you not want to like it or give it a chance! This happened to me with Radiohead. But then I discoverd that Radiohead were brilliant. It was just their fans that I didn't care for!

Come on guys - you hear him knockin' - let Mr. Pastorius in!!
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#99
Basshappi said:
I don't feel that it's a good thing to "hate" anyone!

There are many excellent bassplayers in the world. It is unrealistic to believe that everyone will like (or dislike) a particular player.

I also think that it doesn't benefit us as musicians to catgorically reject a style of music or specific players. Because I believe that there are valuable insights into our instrument that we would be denying ourselves if we do.

If you have really listened to a particular player and found nothing of value to yourself, then by all means move on. But there is no reason to "hate" or denigrate that player.


After all, it's all just vibrations in the air. :)
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Where do you get your crack????
 

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