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Is it wrong?

I went to a seminar with Bunny Brunnel. He said that Jaco was the best technician ever. He further stated that Jaco could not solo (improv) ... meaning that he would work the solo out before he hit the stage or the recording session.

I think that if you can play everything that Jaco, Victor Wooten, and a host of others and you can say....Hmmm that's not all that. Then good for you.

I listen to his stuff and wonder how he does it. I would like to remind you that he did this when there weren't that many guys doing it and man was it amazing ... then and now.

I agree with others...hate=bad. Dislike=ok. Do you dislike the guy? the legend? the technique? the tones? the gear? ???
 
I hate his personality and he himself as a person, I don't care how bad that sounds.

I hate the fact that the majority of bassists put him up on some sort of pedestal.

I don't like his technique, and I don't see what all the fuss is about. I've watched videos on him, and I'm not even mildly impressed.

I have no problem whatsoever with his gear.
 
I think everyone has heard that hideous "Hollaback Girl" song by Gwen Stefani. Does that mean we're all influenced by it? I'm certainly not. But for some reason, there's a faction on here that thinks everyone's influenced by Jaco even if they haven't heard him. And I guarantee you that more people have heard "Hollaback Girl" than the music Jaco played. I don't get people sometimes.

Yes, you were influenced by "Hollaback Girl". Thats the whole point of what I'm saying: you are influenced by EVERYTHING you've ever heard. It has all, in some way, had an effect on how you think about music, how you approach it, and most importantly how you feel about it. These are not things you can control. Once you've heard something, you cannot "un-hear" it. The mark is indelible. That is not to say that you are going to quote "Hollaback" in your solo tonight, or right a riff that is a take-off on whatever the hell was going on in that song.

Like I said before, music at its best is an extension of your subconscious self. Ideally, there is no gap between what you hear in your head and what comes out of your speakers. Many things can get in the way of this (technique, theory, equipment, etc.) but that is the goal of just about every musician I know. And whereas the subconscious is a collection of ALL the experiences a person has, it ALL comes out in the playing.

I like to compare it to my second favorite thing to do, cooking. I make a mean gumbo. I'm talking simmered all day, spicy as hell, meat-falls-apart, we don't need no stinkin' okra gumbo. If you think of your collective experience as that gumbo, there are major influences, such as whether I used Atlantic or Gulf shrimp, duck breast or duck thigh, andouille or smoked sausage. These are the things that people notice right away, and the things that label the gumbo as what it is. But waaaay in the background, there's little things that have a slight effect on the end flavor. What kind of salt did I use? Did I crack the pepper coarse or fine? Fresh thyme or dry? Everything that goes in the pot affects the taste, in ways that I'm not even aware of. Bass playing, and music in general, is the same. There's stuff going on in that pot that you aren't even aware of, and it all comes out to make your individual flavor.

With that, I am done with this thread (I hope). I think I've explained my point of view as well as I possibly can. Those who still disagree are just going to disagree. though they are obviously wrong.:D
 
I think the problem is people thing you have to like one person like Joco to be influence by him. No when you're talking about major players in the history of an instrument you get influence indirectly because that player did influence bass playing in general and the bass players you do listen and the bass players they listen too were influenced.

Also as begger98 points out we also get influenced subconsciously just by hearing music around us and when we hang with others. There is styles of music I don't like and don't think a lot of, but I hang out with other bass players who do and I hear the stuff. I try to ignore it, but every now and then I hear a riff or rhythm I think is cool. Like it or not I was just influence by that player or style of music. I bet most hear have heard a really bad bass player, but that bad player play one line that was cool. First your wonder how they did it, then you tuck it away in the bad of your head to mess with later.

Influence has different levels from just hearing a riff you like driving, digging another player who used to listen to someone, or making someone your mentor.

Last comment. Starting a thread to say you don't understand why some people like player X and having people explain why they do is constructive. But starting threads to bash/hate some player you don't like or understand is the most childish, amateur, ignorant thing to do. As I said there are styles of music I don't like or get, but I don't start threads saying that. I don't go into threads about it and say I hate it you must be dumb to like it. In fact sometime I read those threads and check out the tunes they mention. I still don't get it, but at least I tried, and kept an open mind.
 
I hate his personality and he himself as a person, I don't care how bad that sounds.

I hate the fact that the majority of bassists put him up on some sort of pedestal.

I don't like his technique, and I don't see what all the fuss is about. I've watched videos on him, and I'm not even mildly impressed.

Then why did you started this tread?
If you're concerned about him, THEN he has influenced you inconciously :D
Beleive it or not. :cool:
Bye!
 
Like I said before, music at its best is an extension of your subconscious self... I like to compare it to my second favorite thing to do, cooking. I make a mean gumbo. I'm talking simmered all day, spicy as hell, meat-falls-apart, we don't need no stinkin' okra gumbo. If you think of your collective experience as that gumbo, there are major influences, such as whether I used Atlantic or Gulf shrimp, duck breast or duck thigh, andouille or smoked sausage. These are the things that people notice right away, and the things that label the gumbo as what it is. But waaaay in the background, there's little things that have a slight effect on the end flavor. What kind of salt did I use? Did I crack the pepper coarse or fine? Fresh thyme or dry? Everything that goes in the pot affects the taste, in ways that I'm not even aware of. Bass playing, and music in general, is the same. There's stuff going on in that pot that you aren't even aware of, and it all comes out to make your individual flavor.
What a delicious way to think of it! I salute you, sir! :p
 
this thread isn't going anywhere. Its now just an arguement of whether or not everyone is subconsciously or not effected by Jaco.

That wasn't part of the original question at all. I said is it wrong to hate him. I asked what made him special.

All I got was "he's the greatest bass player ever" and something about harmonics...
 
this thread isn't going anywhere. Its now just an arguement of whether or not everyone is subconsciously or not effected by Jaco.

That wasn't part of the original question at all. I said is it wrong to hate him. I asked what made him special.

All I got was "he's the greatest bass player ever" and something about harmonics...


Then I guess you haven't read the thread.

Alright then - yes it's wrong to hate him. What makes him special - more than his incredible voice on the instrument - is that he legitimized jazz on the electric bass. Jaco is the reason you can walk through a chorus of Autumn Leaves on your Pbass and be taken seriously as a jazz musician. Before Jaco hit the scene, if you wanted to play jazz, you HAD to play upright.
 
How can one be an individual ? when most think that every electric Bass player in the world is influenced by Jaco directly or indirectly.

Because Jaco isn't the only thing that has influenced them.

Even if you took two players who had only heard Jaco and no one else, they would still sound different because their playing is not only influenced by the bass players they've heard, but the classical music they've heard, the songs they heard in church, the jingles on the radio, whether or not their mom sang "the itsy-bitsy spider" or "twinkle, twinkle" when they were kids.

This is really becoming a discussion of psychology more than music, nature vs. nurture, but its all connected. Every individual is, more than anything, the sum of their experiences. Its those experiences that come through in your playing, whether you list them as an "influence" or not.
 
this thread isn't going anywhere. Its now just an arguement of whether or not everyone is subconsciously or not effected by Jaco.

That wasn't part of the original question at all. I said is it wrong to hate him. I asked what made him special.

All I got was "he's the greatest bass player ever" and something about harmonics...

Yes. It is wrong to hate anyone or anything because hatred is shallow and weak. It is wrong to hate a musician that accomplished so much simply because it doesn't suit your taste. It is wrong to hate a human being you have never met. It is wrong to insult the dead. It is wrong for you, with your list of pentatonic idols, to start this thread and expect to get any satisfaction from it. Yes. It is wrong.
 
Yes. It is wrong to hate anyone or anything because hatred is shallow and weak. It is wrong to hate a musician that accomplished so much simply because it doesn't suit your taste. It is wrong to hate a human being you have never met. It is wrong to insult the dead. It is wrong for you, with your list of pentatonic idols, to start this thread and expect to get any satisfaction from it. Yes. It is wrong.
I could swear I heard a bolt of lightning strike when I read this.

Wow, what a totally hostile post. For a guy who preaches against hate, you sure seem to have some in there.

BTW, it is not wrong to hate the dead if the dead in question are jerkoffs. Nor is it wrong to hate someone you never met. I hate Osama Bin Laden and I never met him. But then, I have lots of pentatonic idols.
 
Well if it works for them I guess it's kool but that's not my thing.

and couldn't that to some degree be called artistically creative laziness ?

You can't keep your story straight.

"My musical influences cover a very wide range, partly because of my respect for other cultures. I am also inspired by all Bass players I hear, for I understand the basic role of the Bass: let's not forget to keep that pocket. And Smile. And if they got it going on, then yes! Let's groove."

Whose website is that from???