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Is it wrong?
- Thread starter BellBottomBlues
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- Feb 21, 2007
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- Endorser:Fender User:Rotosound, LaBella, Ashdown, Lindy Fralin
How is that not pompous?
And the fact that most everyone here thinks Jaco is the greatest thing since sliced bread, without actually sitting down, thinking, and considering it, makes me dislike him even more.
So far you say he brought bass playing to the forefront (which was already done before him *cough Entwistle cough Bruce cough cough cough*
He played harmonics (which were around at least 100 years before him)
Played Jazz on electric.
Good composer. (Meanwhile, he couldn't improve)
I'm not rigid in my thinking, people keep telling me to watch and listen to him more, and I'm still not amazed. I've listened to most of his songs, and I still don't see what the big fuss is about.
As for a deliberate attempt at trolling, no it wasn't. People think with their eyes and not with their heads. I don't wish Jaco death (which is already too late) but I can't stand his attitude, nor others attitude about him.
I remind you that the Who released My Generation in '66 (or was it '64...) with one of the first recorded bass solos, then A Quick One (Happy Jack in the States), and in 1971 - still 5 years before Jaco's first album - Who's Next.
(Won't Get Fooled Again on Youtube [with harmonics in the intro])
Don't come here and tell me Jaco was the guy who brought bass 'out there'. If you started playing because of him, great!
Meanwhile, I'll keep listening to popular bassists who are actually popular - like Claypool, Flea, Steve Harris, Geddy, Jack Bruce and I'll even bet that Justin Chancellor is more of a household word than Jaco.
Jimi shook the world. Did Jaco? If he did I didn't feel it.
qfeaat
Boy, you're just jealous 'cause everyone knows Jaco, and not Bellend Blues! You go out there, change the world of electric bass playing like Jaco did and then come back here and bitch!
Thanks for the clarification.
I know the general implications of what that kind of statement means, but I was just curious to know 'specifically' what YOU meant by it. While it's true that Jimi may have 'shaken the world' more than Jaco, IMO a lot of that appeal is spread out to the general public and not as reserved to musician types (as I see Jaco's appeal pointing more towards). While Jimi's global appeal (in a more 'pop' context, I might add) cannot be denied, I feel that Jaco was more advanced theoretically and compositionally. And furthermore I do believe that Jaco 'shook the world' (at least mine) just as much as Jimi, but it was on a bit smaller scale and moreso for musician types, especially bass players in particular. That's just the way I see it, everybody's got their own perception.
That's a ridiculous thing to say!
You're implying that we're all sheep and just following along because it's cool without even knowing what we're talking about or being able to decide what we like. You weren't even born at the time most of us Jaco lovers started digging on Jaco (at the time it was happening!). It could just as easily be said that you don't know enough about music to be able to appreciate Jaco's playing (but I'm not going to say that). I still contend that if you're still playing bass ten years from now, and also if you perhaps by that time have decided to venture into more advanced forms of musical expression (like Jazz), you should revisit you're stance on 'hating' Jaco and see if you still feel that way. Forget about his pompous attitude and try giving him some slack (because after all, he did have a mental disorder), and just enjoy the music.
Let me put it this way....i dont think sliced bread is all that great.....
run your mouth all you want about how much you think he sucks...you wont change my mind.
run your mouth all you want about how much you think he sucks...you wont change my mind.
Oh my God, you're 17! (just checked your profile)
Now i understand
That's why I didn't argue a little harder, but I also don't think you are ever too young to be humble to your art.
- Feb 21, 2007
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I started out playing jazz. Once you get the modulations down its not that hard. I played in a Duke Ellington cover band 6 months after I started playing, and played with them for almost a year.
Oh my God, you're 17! (just checked your profile)
Now i understand
Hey hey now, I'm only 18 but I know Jaco is a genius! We're not all as misguided and BBB!
Hey hey now, I'm only 18 but I know Jaco is a genius! We're not all as misguided and BBB!
I'm also 18 and like Jaco. I first heard him when I was 17 and didn't like him. Although I started liking his music when I was 17.
Actually, I only started liking Jaco after I really listened to his music.
Ah, I see you are some sort of expert jazz player then. You're right, jazz is not that hard. How many Scott Lafaro solos have you transcribed? Can you hear the difference between a b9 and a #9 on an altered chord? Know all your modes of Melodic Minor?
Im young too and i think Jacos awesome...ik that sounds young but im not some pentatonic-flinging punk that thinks the only way to play bass is with a pick and with it hanging around your knees....believe me.....
I think when you listen to Jaco you will discover he was about the music first. That why people loved him as a sideman listen to his work with Pat Methney and Joni Mtchell for example. Also Jaco was an arranger and composer listen to his band band he wrote for. In fact many of the solo he took he worked on like arrangements and constantly rearranged them.
I think your comments about Jaco and Jimi are typically of many young players. They judge on chops and flash and not what someone is saying musically. Most musicians as their ears develop they start appreciating what a musician says in their playing, not how fast or difficult the piece was. So give Jaco another listen I think find some great music and grooves. Especially the stuff with Jaco and Peter Erskine on drums they were quite a groove machine on stage.
I never was a Jaco fan, but I recognize his influence to bass playing in general and to the Jazz fretless. I guess I'm not partial tto him because I am not a big jazz fan anymore, I always liked more rock/guitar oriented fusion (Jeff Beck, Early Holdsworth, Tony Williams etc)
To me Jaco's harmonic work broke new ground for bassists.
I was more a Stanley Clarke fan. Both of theses bass players, to me were next in line since John Entwistle of comercializing the bass as much more than the support of the guitarist.All had top 40 bass hits that defined so many bass clones- My Generation, School Days & Birdland. The only modern bass player, that I can think of that has done the same in modern times is Peter Hook. He took bass playing to a new level without bass playing gymnastics.
With the landmark music of Clarke & Jaco , spewed a bunch of overplaying clone bass players who all sound the same. The same can be said of guitarists like Van Halen, Al Dimeola, Allan Holdsworth, Steve Vai (clone spawning), which tends to bring a genre down (jazz rock fusion is still a dirty word, a bad label, to many)
To me Jaco's harmonic work broke new ground for bassists.
I was more a Stanley Clarke fan. Both of theses bass players, to me were next in line since John Entwistle of comercializing the bass as much more than the support of the guitarist.All had top 40 bass hits that defined so many bass clones- My Generation, School Days & Birdland. The only modern bass player, that I can think of that has done the same in modern times is Peter Hook. He took bass playing to a new level without bass playing gymnastics.
With the landmark music of Clarke & Jaco , spewed a bunch of overplaying clone bass players who all sound the same. The same can be said of guitarists like Van Halen, Al Dimeola, Allan Holdsworth, Steve Vai (clone spawning), which tends to bring a genre down (jazz rock fusion is still a dirty word, a bad label, to many)
This is right on. Also, when looking in retrospect like this, you have to consider the impact they had on music from their point on. Once Jaco hit the scene, everything changed in the world of electric bass. I think I recall a quote from his biography where someone listened to his first album and said "I can hear the sound of bass cases being closed everywhere" (or something like that).
To this day, you can hear Jaco in the playing of others. Contrast this with a guy like Michael Manring, who is himself an enormous Jaco fan, a jaw-droppingly awesome player, and from what I can tell a really nice guy. Manring, though exceedingly talented and skilled, is not going to create a tremedous impact in the world of music after he is gone. He will be remembered as a great player in his time.
