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Is it wrong?

#201
BellBottomBlues said:
And the fact that most everyone here thinks Jaco is the greatest thing since sliced bread, without actually sitting down, thinking, and considering it, makes me dislike him even more.
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There's one! ***BANG!***

First off everyone here does not "think Jaco is the greatest thing since sliced bread" - there are plenty here who appreciate his contribution to music but don't find him to be someone they want to listen to.

The difference between you and them is that many, if not most, have the emotional breadth to be able to be able to find Jaco's music or attitude to be personally unappealing and still not hate him.


BellBottomBlues said:
So far you say he brought bass playing to the forefront (which was already done before him *cough Entwistle cough Bruce cough cough cough*
He played harmonics (which were around at least 100 years before him)
Played Jazz on electric.
Good composer. (Meanwhile, he couldn't improve)
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shhh... there's a rustling in the undergrowth... THERE! There's another one!

***BANG!***

Once again - simply ignoring the fact that Jaco DID take bass playing to a new level of excellence and added significant dimension to bass playing in general does not make it go away. So ignore it all you want, he actually DID do all of that and then some.

...and you should get some Triaminic for that cough...

BellBottomBlues said:
I'm not rigid in my thinking, people keep telling me to watch and listen to him more, and I'm still not amazed. I've listened to most of his songs, and I still don't see what the big fuss is about.
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Your mind is clearly made up - so why are you even dwelling on this at all? You don't enjoy Jaco - ok. So?

Your original question as to whether or not it is wrong to hate him is still very easily answered with a resounding "Yes!" - it is undeniably wrong to hate him or anyone simply because you don't enjoy their thing or because others seem to hold them up as something you don't agree with. It is WRONG - period.

Oh, yeah... ***BANG!***

Damn, that silly almost got away from me...

BellBottomBlues said:
As for a deliberate attempt at trolling, no it wasn't. People think with their eyes and not with their heads. I don't wish Jaco death (which is already too late) but I can't stand his attitude, nor others attitude about him.
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Oops, so sorry... Silly again. ***BANG!***

So because there are people here who really love his playing, his attitude and they enjoy his contribution to the world and you don't, you HATE him? Do you not find that slightly out of whack with sanity? Why so angry? Do you feel that because people like him that he has taken something away from you? What is the deal? That is just plain nuts.

People here actually think much more deeply and thoroughly (with their heads) than you are apparently willing to accept. You made a comment that was ripe for correction and got a whole boatload of correction in response. But based on the apparent limited scope of your capacity for dealing with things you don't agree with or understand (you either like it or hate it - no variation or grey area to be found), I fully expect that most, if not all has fallen on deaf and unfortunately hateful ears.

Hate, as a word, means more than "something you don't agree with". Hate is a vile and repulsive emotion that should be reserved for the most vile and repulsive things. Choosing to proclaim your hatred for a musician you simply don't dig is very definitely WRONG.
 
#204
BellBottomBlues said:
How is that not pompous?

And the fact that most everyone here thinks Jaco is the greatest thing since sliced bread, without actually sitting down, thinking, and considering it, makes me dislike him even more.
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I you're the one not thinking especailly making assumsions about others. What makes you think the Jaco fans haven't listen, and decided they like and appreciate what he's done. Listening to you, you're the one who sounds like you only skimmed those a couple cuts and made a decision.

I've also read a bunch of your posts on TB and sounds like you are very imature with every post. You don't understand playing music especailly bass is about be part of a band not indivisual trying to just play what you feel like. Playing what the music or the gig calls for is job One. That is something Jaco was all about. his best work was with others like Pat Methney, Joni Mitchell, and others.

Also from your posts beside think you are so hip and you have no respect for anyone older than you. As I said before everytime you open your mouth you dig yourself into a deeper hole.

So as I said in my first post to you... When you grow up you'll understand what I'm telling you.
 
#208
BellBottomBlues said:
...to hate Jaco Pastorius?

I can't stand his music and I don't really see what the big deal was aside from him basically inventing fretless electric bass. Listening to his stuff from Weather Report I feel as if I'm bored to tears.

I understand he influenced a lot of people, but he basically a glorified jazz fusion player who was pompous enough to claim he was the greatest bassist of all time.

I can safely say I'm not influenced by him, and I don't think any of my influences can cite being influenced by him because I dig more of the old school players like Willie Dixon etc...

Does anyone think there is a better player than Jaco? I think I can name a couple.


**Please note this is not a flame or an attempt at trolling, its just my opinion and I'm trying to see if I'm alone or not.
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You make a number of contradictory statements in your post. Its quite mind-boggling actually. You claim that you do not understand "what the big deal was" with his playing only to say in your next thought that he inspired many players. You then go on to call him a glorified jazz-fusion player only to ask later if we think there are better players.

I usually sit out of these bash threads, but man, there's so much ---- talking about other bassists that it sickens me. Obviously music does not start in end with any single virtuoso, but why cut down other players that are actually putting something out there? What have YOU done? What have YOU brought to the table?

Instead of talking down some and putting others on a pedestal, how about focusing in on bettering yourself as a musician by learning what you can from every other bassist (or musician for that matter) out there. There is no "best" musician, just people with different thoughts of how to approach their instrument and speak through it.
 
#211
Quoting other people (particularly famous ones) doesn't mean that the person doesn't already know it or that they can't think for themselves. It's just that we've been trying to talk some sense into the original poster and he doesn't seem to want to hear what we are saying, so maybe hearing something from a famous person would carry more weight with him? I don't know, but it makes some sense to me. It might have been more effective to quote someone from his list of favorite players.
 
#212
One thing that you don't not talk about is the appart non-release of any non-negative feelings about the things that we have apparently not been not discussing.

If you do realise that there is a way to really do a positive job in promoting not that idea but the one not agreed with originally then you have an extremely banal thread that does nothing but make certaing people say:

Ooh this guy is the best bass player ever - another will say no player X is the one that has left the biggest impact.

I am going to go on the record that JACO HAS DONE NOTHING FOR ME EVER AS A BASS PLAYER, MUSICIAN OR GENERAL HUMAN.

I never knew him, I don't like his stuff, I have never been affected by any of his stuff. Please go away and stop your nonsense.

Just because I began playing the bass 20 years ago means that I automatically am influenced by him through everything I do.

Wait a minute... this just in....NO. just NO

Wait while I think............NO

How dare you say that I am influenced by him merely due to when I began playing without even knowing me.

Would that not be like someone saying that they hated a certain player without ever knowing them.

Talk about the kettle calling the pot black.

Can someone have some sense and end this bloody thread before I waste another 10 minutes of my life
 
#213
I'm probably in somewhat of a small group. There isn't very much I don't like. I became a bass player (musician period) because I heard Metallica and I thought it was the coolest thing ever. I went from that to Sheehan to Patitucci to Jaco to Miles Davis' bassists, to classical music. I used to hate bluegrass and country, but I even find things to like in those styles now. The only music I really dislike is pop that has no live players. I'm now digging neo soul stuff like D'Angelo (Pino is almost a god!) and Raphael Saadiq.
All that to say all styles of music have fans and you don't have to like a style to grow from some aspect of it. Honestly, I love Jaco's playing. He does some amazing things that still blow me away, but all the electronic sounds and melodies really get on my nerves. I listen to it in small amounts when I'm in the mood.
My thought: Don't be afraid to listen to something different - even if you 'hate' it at first.
 
#215
just in case anyone forgot to mention it...JACO DIDNT INVENT FRETLESS BASS GUITAR!

im a big jaco fan personally (its wat made me get a fretless bass), but i see where people can dislike him. i dont like weather report, i dont always agree with his 'overplaying' style...sure he had crazy technical ability, but its not like people today cant play that well.

when it comes down to it, its a tone thing. i mean, electric bass is electric bass, but when jaco played, you knew it was him. i cant believe anyone else at the time had (or wanted) that kind of cutting solo sound. and hey, if you dont like that type of bass playing, theres nothing to argue about.
 
#217
I personally think it is wrong to hate anyone (unless they are a complete a*sH*le and deserve it) I never did understand so many musician's (okay I'll say it Guitar Player's ;) ) ego's that I can play better/faster/whatever, than you, therefore I am a better human being than you. What is that?

I can enjoy the sitting back and talking about... over rated...most influential...whatever....but to say you hate some one because of his style technigue isn't what you like??!! There are stories where Hendrix would tell other's they were better than he was.

I basically love rock, and some of what I liked when I was young, technically, was crap. But my taste and appreciation has changed as I got older (d*mn I got older) and is completely all over the place!

I **know** jazz and fusion is technically good, I just don't hear it or feel it, and except for one sax scale, I don't "hate" it, or think it's not legit. By the same term, I don't get a lot of this new Metal, or hip hop/rap. But I do like SOME of it on an individual merit.

For someone to proclaim themself the "greatest" this or that is very presumptuos, let US proclaim you the greatest!!! :)

Where did I find this soapbox anyways? I'll probably need help stepping down from the youngsters here......
 
#218
to the original poster - I just picked up Jaco's greatest hits album today. I listend to the the first 4 songs and had to turn it off.

I totally respect what he did for music, for being a leader in his time, doin his own thing...but...

I think it will be a while before I try and listen to him again lol.

So no, its not wrong.
 

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