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Is Rock Dead?

Apologies for the soap boxing, but I cannot listen to modern pop music. Not for the typical "I'm an old guy and I don't like this younger stuff" reason - because IMHO the music is lacking in so many areas. Every modern pop song I hear seems to follow some tired/overdone formula: midi drums, a simple bass synth, a synth playing chords or chord tones, maybe a track of fingers snapping, and the lead vocal. Not a single musician was used in the making of these songs - not a single person actually playing an instrument - it's all done "in the box" in a DAW. Sad... very sad.
I am a computer scientist, so I have nothing against computers - they have helped me pay my bills for the past 30 years.
But a musician is someone who PLAYS A DAMN INSTRUMENT! Music should not be perfect down to the 1/1000 of a second - it should be made by humans who occasionally slip up, hit a bum note, or have some variation in their timing.
If you can sing, then sing - but for the love of all that is - don't use Auto-Tune! If you can't sing it live, then look for another career option!
I want to see a guy (or a gal) standing on stage playing a real instrument - guitar, bass, drums and if the song calls for it, keyboards (or more Cowbell).
 
Every modern pop song I hear seems to follow some tired/overdone formula: midi drums, a simple bass synth, a synth playing chords or chord tones, maybe a track of fingers snapping, and the lead vocal. Not a single musician was used in the making of these songs - not a single person actually playing an instrument - it's all done "in the box" in a DAW. Sad... very sad.

And whatever happened to HARMONIES?
 
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The "get off my lawn" movement has got to go. I know that everyone is allowed their opinion. The amount of negativity that comes out of this forum towards new music is astounding. Yall's favorite band could be Led Zeppelin and cannot accept the ULTIMATE compliment of Greta Van Fleet using your favorite bands sound as serious influence to WRITE NEW MUSIC.

1) Zep was sued by Willie Dixon
2) You will most likely never see Led Zeppelin live ever again. Meanwhile you could go see this group of kids perform original music with all the intensity of Zep back in the 70s. I completely understand the comparison, I can not understand the negativity.

EDIT: Comments that say that these folks are "not creative" are insulting. These kids are young and influenced directly by what they hear. They are still writing songs and lyrics from the heart. They don't deserve yalls BS.
 
Music has been in a decadent state ever since Pierre Boulez composed Structures, the logical end point of Serial Music in the 1950s. Music hasn't had anywhere to go since then. Everything the musical collective has done the past 60 years has either been a gimmick (like Cage's 4'33) or a reimagining of stuff that has been there before (Stravinsky in his neoclassical period, ugh).

We're going in circles. Avantgarde? What Avantgarde?

Rock isn't dead. Music is.
 
Maybe the problem is that "rock" or "rock&roll" was a pretty generic term, that covered a wide range of bands, from Steely Dan and Fleetwood Mac all the way up to Led Zeppelin and The Who. Today, it seems like every second band has its own genre - stoner metal, death metal, neo-metal, proto-indie, whatever...

Yep. Tons of subgenres with cult followings, but nobody will ever be able to capture the attention of half the country anymore. I can live my life completely ignorant of EDM/Hip Hop/Pop, and somebody else can live completely ignorant of all things rock/metal/punk, and it's all good.

I don't lament the 'death of rock' so much as the death of wild, dangerous music. Whether that's Bill Haley, Black Sabbath, the Sex Pistols or NWA. Everything is just so safe and predictable these days. Apathy is cool, and the kids' music these days reflects that. Sad!
 
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I wanted this to be a friendly discussion. I think people have different opinions of what rock is about.

Some things that rock is/was about, to me: (I snipped a bunch....)
  • It was rebellious and loud, and when everybody got used to it, we made it more rebellious, and heavier. There wasn't a lot of distortion or heavy rock way back. There was some, like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, of course others, but it wasn't THAT heavy. A lot of people wanted more of it. Bands seemed to get heavier and heavier over the years. The heavy-distortion-hard-rock thing was a slowly evolving thing that kept rock going. Bands kept kicking it up a notch throughout the years, and now, rock is heavier than ever.
I hate to say it but the new "rock music" is hip hop. It is the rebel music of the day.

There is this wonderful moment in the extra DVD footage of the Metallica documentary Some Kind of Monster where a hip hop producer on the same label of the band is going to use a riff from a Metallica song before the Metallica song is even out yet (Hetfield was on his "sabbatical" of sorts). So Metallica is in their San Francisco studio with the band psychologist in his sweater and they're hooking up the link to the studio in New York and this studio is packed. It's smoke filled, drinking, gambling, women wearing nothing everywhere. They can't even find the rapper. Lars comments that they're having a "rock and roll moment" and that's when you realize, hip hop IS the rock music of the day. And this was in 2003-2004.

I know the OP was asking about contemporary hard rock but I'm just saying a lot of the audience for rebel music that feels dangerous and liberating has moved to hip hop. [And full disclosure, I don't listen to much hip hop.]
 
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Here's some stuff you could cover*







I don't use spotify, itunes or really care for what's currently popular... I'm a complete incel and I'll only listen to music that is on obscure indie labels.* However, finding this (with a bit of knowledge of hard rock) was a simple as googling "popular rock 2019".

*sarcasm - the UK kind.
 
I think for a lot of folks, Jiffy Pop Country took the place of rock for the masses... Generic pablum for the popcorn munchers...

I do not live in/near a major city. Neither do a lot of folks... We are not exposed much to new rock. We can't turn the radio on and be exposed to new bands and such. We don't have new rock stations in a huge chunk of the nation I would imagine with exceptions in the big market areas....

Radio used to keep us old farts up to date on rock back in our younger days... Top 40 countdowns, Casey, etc...

Then MoronTV showed up and VH1....

Now? Jiffy Pop Country stations from hell... Classic Rock stations... Blathering stations...

Moron TV and VH1 have little to do with anything substantial including music and trying their best to perpetuate Moronism... Like Invasion of the IQ Snatchers on steroids....

We listen to a classic station in the shop. I rather enjoy listening to ARS, Tubes, Journey, Vannelli, Skynt Lyzyrd, ABB, Commodores, Bros. Johnson, etc... Lots of good 'old fart' music and some damn good players... My other choices would be Jiffy Pop Country, blathering stations, or comatose PBS crap...

Soooo, in many areas, there is little exposure to new rock...whatever new rock is...
 
Third wave ska is pretty healthy. Pete McCullough of Streetlight Manifesto is a nasty nasty man.

I dunno if Streetlight is really “third wave,” I’ve always tended to put them in their own category, but absolutely I see your point. I had to learn We Will Fall Together for a cover band a couple years ago and that song was a huge lesson in technique, dexterity, and the construction of a good walking line, at about a million BPM. They play everything faster live, too, which is extra mind-boggling.
 
Just got me Tyler Brant's "Wild Child" album and i really like it, thanks for sharing and keeping Rock alive; mucho apreciado! :cool:

I can't quite put TBSD into any particular genre of rock. One song they're sounding very heavy metal and the next one sounds like they just walked out of the Bayou next to John Fogerty and Muddy Waters. Tyler plays a wicked resonator.
 
If you're listening to Nickleback, Creed (lol) and/or 3 Doors Down, I sincerely hope (dad) rock is dead.

Well thanks for making fun of me because I am old. I really appreciate the pic of the "Old Man Yells At Cloud" article.

I don't listen to Nickleback, Creed, or 3 Doors Down....nobody in my band does either. There was a time where those bands got MAJOR radio airplay. Especially Creed and Nickelback, who were overplayed and over-marketed to the point that people got sick of them. All that doesn't change the fact that they had significant mainstream appeal, everybody knew them, and many popular hard rock bands covered them in good venues. The guys in my band all performed covers by those bands, in the past, because people wanted to hear it. They did this at time after classic rock fell out of favor, the hair band stuff fell out of favor, and the grunge stuff fell out of favor. Now those band have fallen out of favor, some people even choose to make fun of them.....just like people younger than you will be making fun of the current music that is so new and awesome right now.
 
I can't quite put TBSD into any particular genre of rock. One song they're sounding very heavy metal and the next one sounds like they just walked out of the Bayou next to John Fogerty and Muddy Waters. Tyler plays a wicked resonator.
Well, it's a bitta close to Aerosmith's Pump sometimes, the reso-parts reminds me some Rolling Stones themes; but still an extraordinary powerful album on my fave playlist now.
 
I'm late to this thread, so it's likely no one will read this, but here goes. This is my opinion and is the result of my personal experience -

For me, pegging songs as belonging to the genre "rock" is a kinda inherently flawed. The term really began to see a spike in popular usage at the end of the 60's to refer to popular music that was heavily guitar based but not traditional "Rock and Roll". This latter was a f*ck phrase (much in the way that the term jazz began) that was used to describe early small group R&B, doo-wop, and country/R&B cross-over songs (basically small-group black dance music for all ages reformatted for a mixed audience of teenagers). Along game the Beatles (who morphed into pop pretty quickly), the mid-60's more progressive (e.g, not based on traditional blues forms) bands, advanced keyboards, and the move from simple dance hall music to large shows and the term "Rock and Roll" seemed very outdated. This is when it was shortened to "Rock" to accommodate the rise of bands like "Moody Blues, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Yes" etc. who had little in common with previous dance hall time tunes on the pop charts. This began a little earlier with what we now call Baroque Rock (e.g., some Yardbird's tunes), but at the time no one really called it anything other than Rock. It also coincided with the replacement of 45s with LPs, introduction of popular FM radio stations, and the beginning of the "Oldies Tours" (with a corresponding rise in other popular culture media such as Sha Na Na, American Graffitti etc to more specifically differentiate "Rock and Roll" from "Rock" both musically and generationally).

A lot of pop music using more or less traditional song structures, (although some moving beyond into asymmetric rhythms and more abrupt chord changes, and now played at increasingly loud volumes with more deliberate/refined distortion) rolled into this category (Led Zep, Who, Rolling Stones etc). This forms the bulk of what is now called "Classic Rock". Fast forward to the late 70's with the rise of punk, and the emergence of the "80's bands" all lumped in the same category (although some of the punkers preferred to refer to themselves as "Rock and Roll"). Then came what we call now Grunge, then the internet began to blow everything part, and the concept of a top list of rock songs started to seem last decade.

Is it dead? I don't know what dead means here, but I don't hear many popular songs anymore that evoke the instrumentation and chordal structure of these tunes that sound like anything new to me. There are lots of new rock bands, but to me I rarely hear anything new. People mentioned RHCP, White Stripes, Black Keys etc. but these are not new bands. So I think the number of people in the US who self-identify as preferring "Rock" music is on the decline. When my generation goes, I don't think anyone will even care except the historians. FWIW, the current genre that sounds to my ears most like what was called "Rock" in the mid-70's is modern country. I hear that it's pretty popular, but I'm too old school with country to muster the energy to give it a try.

One thing I have noticed is that practically every single local rock bar band I have auditioned for, or have considered auditioning for, in my area, seems to play from the same list. This also makes me feel like not much is happening with the genre.

I have an intense hatred of country music... but I gotta give this guy his props:

 
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