Is this even made?

[nanmiller69]

You do have a DI, right there on the back of your amp.
It goes like this : install your amp as a wedge, so you can hear yourself clearly without setting it too loud. From the DI in the back of your amp, send an XLR cable to the PA so you get to FOH.

Awesome! Thanks! See guys. I'm learning.

 

[nanmiller69]

You do have a DI, right there on the back of your amp.
It goes like this : install your amp as a wedge, so you can hear yourself clearly without setting it too loud. From the DI in the back of your amp, send an XLR cable to the PA so you get to FOH.

Just checked my amp. It's a combo. It doesn't have an output. Except to the headphones.

 

[walterw]

Just checked my amp. It's a combo. It doesn't have an output. Except to the headphones.

what kind of amp is it?

 

[nanmiller69]

what kind of amp is it?

It's just a little 40watt Fender Rumble combo home practice amp. Nothing even close to being the kind of equipment you guys use. So unless there's a panel to remove that I'm missing, I got nothin'

 

[tuBass]

Most DI boxes have a 1/4" out on them that are great for going to a personal mixer.

If you can get a line level monitor, it on stage (meaning not powered by a power amp, you can blend that with your own bass signal and be good to go. I did it for years. There are even nice quality in ear monitors that start around $50

 

[Jazz Ad]

You said your amp was a Fender Rumble 40 and they have a DI hence my answer.

 

[tuBass]

You said your amp was a Fender Rumble 40 and they have a DI hence my answer.

A lot of small churches would discourage a bass polayer from using an onstage amp. The in ear headphones are a good compromise.

But then again... if they are using acoustic drums, maybe it's not as small as it seems. Acoustic drums in a small church can be horribly loud

 

[nanmiller69]

You said your amp was a Fender Rumble 40 and they have a DI hence my answer. nope sorry. Rumble 25. Husband wanted me to get the 40. Not sure now why I didn't

You said your amp was a Fender Rumble 40 and they have a DI hence my answer.

My mistake. Mine is the 25, not the 40. Husband wanted me to get the 40. Not sure now why I decided against it. I'm seeing my choice was a mistake. Clearly.

 

[nanmiller69]

A lot of small churches would discourage a bass polayer from using an onstage amp. The in ear headphones are a good compromise.

But then again... if they are using acoustic drums, maybe it's not as small as it seems. Acoustic drums in a small church can be horribly loud

Our drummer is the exception to the rule. He truly is. They have had to encourage him to play louder. The platform is basically in an alcove on the short end of a rectangle. The acoustics of the sanctuary are very unusual. They can have the house speakers loud enough to crack the plaster, but the band not really hearing anything. And the flip is that our drummer can get fairly loud to us, and not be at all over powering in the house.

 

[nanmiller69]

what kind of amp is it?

It's a 25, not 40. Don't remember now why I went with it and not the bigger. I'm seeing my mistake, that's for certain.

 

[tuBass]

Our drummer is the exception to the rule. He truly is. They have had to encourage him to play louder. The platform is basically in an alcove on the short end of a rectangle. The acoustics of the sanctuary are very unusual. They can have the house speakers loud enough to crack the plaster, but the band not really hearing anything. And the flip is that our drummer can get fairly loud to us, and not be at all over powering in the house.

You might be able to try the on stage amp. Use the extra output on the DI to feed your amp, and the house still gets their signal for the mains

 

[nanmiller69]

You might be able to try the on stage amp. Use the extra output on the do to feed your amp, and the house still gets their signal for the mains

I've got the crew reading through all these suggestions trying to figure what would work best for everyone. (I still think burning the place down and wiring right would be best) But I was out voted. Again.

 

[nanmiller69]

Ok, for anyone that's still interested, here's what the crew and I tried out tonight:

I plugged my bass in to the DI
One output went to the house system, one to my practice amp

It seemed to work. We're gonna give it a go Sunday morning and see how it works with the whole band in there.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

 

[hrodbert696]

Ok, for anyone that's still interested, here's what the crew and I tried out tonight:

I plugged my bass in to the DI
One output went to the house system, one to my practice amp

It seemed to work. We're gonna give it a go Sunday morning and see how it works with the whole band in there.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

Sounds like a simple solution. It is awful not being able to hear yourself.

 

[nanmiller69]

Sounds like a simple solution

It is. I still think we're going to have issues of the drums drowning the open speaker out on the loud songs if I don't use headphones. Not sure how I'm going to handle only hearing myself through the phones. But one of the guys came up with this, "if we do this and this we can plug this into your aux input on your practice amp and get you the whole mix." It was going to involve buying a couple things and I elected to make due with what I had and hold out for a proper set up. We'll see.

 

[Winterglo]

yeah, that's a nightmare; sharing a monitor mix is miserable, especially if players are relying on it for their entire instrument sound (as opposed to having their own amps and just suffering with a shared vocal monitor mix).

until such time as there is actual professional monitoring where everybody gets their own mix, you just need to bring a bass amp. (do it in the spirit of generosity, taking your bass out of that shared monitor will make everybody else happier too.)

even if you make it a small one (like a decent 300w head pushing a little 1x12 cab) and set it up angled to point at your ears, you'll be so much happier. don't let clueless church "soundguys" tell you that it's bad because it'll make things louder, because if you do it right it won't! in fact it could make things quieter, by not crowding into that one monitor mix and making everybody else turn up more in there trying to hear themselves.

you could even put this little bass cab in front of you pointed back, like it was a monitor.

Make sure it has a line out to the mixer, if not there he will want it someday.

 

[nanmiller69]

Make sure it has a line out to the mixer, if not there he will want it someday.

I will definitely keep that in mind if I ever get an actual rig set up. Thanks, for the advice.

 

[Winterglo]

I will definitely keep that in mind if I ever get an actual rig set up. Thanks, for the advice.

Also, and this is pretty important, someone gave me this advice: Make sure you have enough power. Sell the little 25 watt amp towards a Powerful rig. Powerful amps can be turned down. You can get an awesome, lightweight, any size, powerful rig. Do whatever it takes to save up for the power! Save the money you would spend on small underpowered amps for the one with POWER. Better to have more than not enough. Trust me, you will thank me someday. For about $1200-$2000 (It's worth it) you can get at least 600 watts. You won't ever have the "I can't hear myself" dilemma anymore.

 

[nanmiller69]

My little one was purchased, at the time, strictly for at home practice. Probably won't ever get rid of it. My only outside the house playing is with the praise team at church. The whole truth is, I've thought for years it would be fun to learn to play bass. But, raising kids in a one income family, a bass was a luxury that I just didn't cave to. Then one day the worship leader announced that they needed a bass player. The two girls that had been playing were leaving for college and she decided she wasn't good enough to play bass and lead worship at the same time. I volunteered and borrowed a bass to learn thinking I'd be the fill in player because others had offered to play too. This was last Christmas. By mid-January I was playing at church. By March, I had become the go-to bass and my husband bought me my own bass and practice amp. I've been allowed 4 Sundays off since I started playing with them. I certainly didn't expect to be playing so much. And while I wouldn't refuse to entertain the idea of being in a group outside church, I'm not seeing that happening for a while yet. But if/when I do get involved in another group and get my own rig, you can but your boots I won't do it half way.

 

[Geri O]

I've got the whole crew looking into this stuff. Now we're at the point of burning down the church and rebuilding the whole thing starting with a proper sound system. They're just as frustrated with the set up as I. I was given the suggestion of running through my own amp as a monitor. I'm thinking I may try that for a couple weeks and see who objects.

Don't think that this idea hasn't been floated at least 1000 times before...