It's the Music Stand Band??!!

[coyote1]

So what's the point of a public forum? Are we just here to entertain each other or are we here to learn something? Saying this is ok is not ok in my book. Sorry, it just isn't. These guys don't get a pass, but the point isn't to criticize a particular group of people, it's to let learners know that there is a low bar that needs to be met if you're going to do this in public. And the bar doesn't get much lower than "don't stick your music stand right in front of your face."

Why is that wrong? Are we really just here to pass out participation trophies to everyone, or is there supposed to be some value in this place beyond people just jabbering about nothing?

Yep. Here are the non-professionals, playing a bit of music everyone should know by heart in a public place, but you learners? You'd better learn that this crap is not OK! It's unprofessional! This is the lowest bar! Don't let yourself become like these schmucks, with the music stand right in front of their face in public! Heck - they're so unprofessional, they even need a guy with a stick to guide them!

buncha wannabes - they can't even conduct themselves in public

 

[Ketbass]

I haven't read this whole thread, but 2 things: 1. If these folks don't play out 3 nights a week playing the same setlist ad nauseam, then yeah they're going to need charts. It doesn't look like any of them are young enough to remember all the songs thru memory as when they younger. This is a snapshot in time. 2. I play with 4 jazz groups, 2 regularly and 2 as needed. In Jazz there can be a lot of changes just in 4 measures. So pieces have similar changes, different names, heavy key signatures that I can't keep all of them straight, so I use an iPad and holder on a mic stand regularly as do a vast majority of players do. I don't stare at and it is off to one side so it doesn't interfere with my bow.
Admittedly, they are a bit in to deep on the height, but I can't see mocking a group doing there best. And heck, who knows, for that venue, they may be the most beloved players in th area.

 

[LBS-bass]

Yep. Here are the non-professionals, playing a bit of music everyone should know by heart in a public place, but you learners? You'd better learn that this crap is not OK! It's unprofessional! This is the lowest bar! Don't let yourself become like these schmucks, with the music stand right in front of their face in public! Heck - they're so unprofessional, they even need a guy with a stick to guide them!

buncha wannabes - they can't even conduct themselves in public

You know what? I give up.

I have multiple posts in this thread specifically pointing out that this sort of playing is absolutely not what I'm talking about, and y'all accuse me of everything anyway but what I'm actually doing here, which is trying to be reasonable by pointing out that people are no longer being taught the very basics of what it is to be a musician anymore.

We all seem to be learning via YouTube and other online portals, without the guidance of real teachers whose job used to include things like teaching an eight-year-old how to properly place a music stand so that they can see the music and also be seen. We are losing this - clearly - but nobody seems to care.

So that's apparently OK, because the person who tries to bring that value into a thread like this is shown the door. I know where the door is and I don't think you need to worry about me entering it again.

 

[Fishheadjoe]

I came here for some Bass Humour and found this mess. I'm more disappointed in that, then the band pic.
Fishheadjoe

 

[coyote1]

You know what? I give up.

I have multiple posts in this thread specifically pointing out that this sort of playing is absolutely not what I'm talking about SNIP

Question for you: what sort of playing are the people in that photo doing? And did you happen to notice that the big guy on the right, the guy with the mic, also has a WALKER??

Or were you too busy demonstrating your professionalism and compassion?

 

[MoireBass]

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These Sunday Lunch videos really make me laugh.

(For you non-KC fans) Robert's spent his life playing complex, intricate music, looks like an English professor, and generally isn't described as easy-going and flexible -- and his wife makes him put mousse and dye in his hair, play punk rock, and (in this video) even play guitar in standard tuning.

And returning to the original post, the band appears to be setting up not playing, so it's possible that the stand height will get adjusted afore performance.

 

[Wambemando]

This thread was entertaining until all the virtue signalers sucked the fun out of it.

 

[coyote1]

No one has had more fun in Covid than Robert Fripp.

 

[Tony In Philly]

So what's the point of a public forum? Are we just here to entertain each other or are we here to learn something? Saying this is ok is not ok in my book. Sorry, it just isn't. These guys don't get a pass, but the point isn't to criticize a particular group of people, it's to let learners know that there is a low bar that needs to be met if you're going to do this in public. And the bar doesn't get much lower than "don't stick your music stand right in front of your face."

Why is that wrong? Are we really just here to pass out participation trophies to everyone, or is there supposed to be some value in this place beyond people just jabbering about nothing?

It was the overall haughty and disrespectful tone of the thread that I was taking issue with, and not the content of the criticism. For example, I almost never use a music stand unless I'm doing a jazz gig. For rock stuff I never use them because I don't care for the look. That said, I'm not going to go on a forum and throw shade at others who do like to use them. I'm not in disagreement with your point about the height of the stands either - it's simply the collective negative and sparky tone of this thread that got my attention.

 

[g-dude]

You know what? I give up.

I have multiple posts in this thread specifically pointing out that this sort of playing is absolutely not what I'm talking about, and y'all accuse me of everything anyway but what I'm actually doing here, which is trying to be reasonable by pointing out that people are no longer being taught the very basics of what it is to be a musician anymore.

We all seem to be learning via YouTube and other online portals, without the guidance of real teachers whose job used to include things like teaching an eight-year-old how to properly place a music stand so that they can see the music and also be seen. We are losing this - clearly - but nobody seems to care.

So that's apparently OK, because the person who tries to bring that value into a thread like this is shown the door. I know where the door is and I don't think you need to worry about me entering it again.

Being seen has absolutely nothing to do with being a musician.

 

[lermgalieu]

Being seen has absolutely nothing to do with being a musician.

No, but performing music has absolutely everything to do with it. Honestly what I get from this thread is: constructive criticism is never ok, and it's especially not ok if the subjects happen to be over a certain age, even if said constructive criticism has nothing to do with their age. It's ridiculous. How old are you people? I'm 53. When I was growing up, in art class and music class, we would literally take entire sessions to critique one another's performance, work and presentation. Being able to receive said criticism is one of the most important skills an artist can have. And I am willing to bet that this group of musicians doesn't need y'all defending them. Lastly, to be clear, NO ONE SAID MUSIC STANDS ARE "BAD." The criticism was that they are in front of their faces. Like @LBS-bass, I am out.

 

[Tony In Philly]

No, but performing music has absolutely everything to do with it. Honestly what I get from this thread is: constructive criticism is never ok, and it's especially not ok if the subjects happen to be over a certain age, even if said constructive criticism has nothing to do with their age. It's ridiculous. How old are you people? I'm 53. When I was growing up, in art class and music class, we would literally take entire sessions to critique one another's performance, work and presentation. Being able to receive said criticism is one of the most important skills an artist can have. And I am willing to bet that this group of musicians doesn't need y'all defending them.

There's respectful, constructive criticism and then there is outright mockery and condescension. That is the distinction.

I should probably stop now before I offend someone myself!

 

[lermgalieu]

There's respectful, constructive criticism and then there is outright mockery and condescension. That is the distinction.

I should probably stop now before I offend someone myself!

I agree. As previously noted, I am talking about the OP and many of the comments on here. I agree that there is also a troubling percentage that seem to enjoy ageist mockery. Ok, I said I was out, getting out.

 

[richntiff]

No, but performing music has absolutely everything to do with it. Honestly what I get from this thread is: constructive criticism is never ok, and it's especially not ok if the subjects happen to be over a certain age, even if said constructive criticism has nothing to do with their age. It's ridiculous. How old are you people? I'm 53. When I was growing up, in art class and music class, we would literally take entire sessions to critique one another's performance, work and presentation. Being able to receive said criticism is one of the most important skills an artist can have. And I am willing to bet that this group of musicians doesn't need y'all defending them. Lastly, to be clear, NO ONE SAID MUSIC STANDS ARE "BAD." The criticism was that they are in front of their faces. Like @LBS-bass, I am out.

You are attempting to equate art/music students who purposely place themselves in a situation where criticism is implicitly understood to be a valuable tool in aiding one's growth in an educational setting with a picture taken and posted on an internet message board, without context, with the explicit goal of ridiculing and trumpeting about how accomplished and professional ya'll are. But please, hide behind the 'it's constructive criticism' facade. I'm sorry, that sounds to me a bit ridiculous.

Oh - I'm 51, thanks for asking.

 

[richntiff]

This thread was entertaining until all the virtue signalers sucked the fun out of it.

Thanks for the compliment.

 

[lermgalieu]

You are attempting to equate art/music students who purposely place themselves in a situation where criticism is implicitly understood to be a valuable tool in aiding one's growth in an educational setting with a picture taken and posted on an internet message board, without context, with the explicit goal of ridiculing and trumpeting about how accomplished and professional ya'll are. But please, hide behind the 'it's constructive criticism' facade. I'm sorry, that sounds to me a bit ridiculous.

Oh - I'm 51, thanks for asking.

I'm not "attempting" anything, I am actually making a point. You conveniently omitted my actual conclusion, which is "being able to receive said criticism is one of the most important skills an artist can have." No one said this is a music or art class, including me. If you put yourself on a stage, you should be able to receive criticism without acting like a baby. As noted, I agree some comments on this thread are out of bounds but the OP did nothing wrong. I am sure there are plenty of things my band could improve on (eye contact, smiling, not acknowledging mistakes, etc.) and I would be glad to hear about each one of them. Because I learned how to accept constructive criticism.

And also - now when someone makes any sort of criticism, they are "ridiculing and trumpeting about how accomplished and professional" they are? What a load.

 

[gln1955]

Who's responsible for seeing that all this helpful criticism gets back to the band in the photo?

If they don't hear about it, this is just beating on some hapless folks for no reason.....

What a load!

 

[lermgalieu]

Who's responsible for seeing that all this helpful criticism gets back to the band in the photo?

If they don't hear about it, this is just beating on some hapless folks for no reason.....

What a load!

Should I say the same when ppl post random pics of unknown bassists wearing shorts? What a load! The idea is we can all learn something about ourselves from this. In other words, "don't do it like this, friends." FWIW I'd have no trouble politely giving them that exact feedback in person. As noted (now thrice), I think the OP was fine and some follow-on comments have been questionable. But the assertion that the only possible intent for posting this is mockery is laughable. What's next, the entire internet? Why THIS particular pic, this particular thread? I feel like lots of people are simply being triggered and the OP did nothing wrong. The pile-ons with the ageist comments need to look at themselves in the mirror. But so do all of you that are reading some intent into the OP that simply isn't there.

 

[Core Creek]

Who's responsible for seeing that all this helpful criticism gets back to the band in the photo?

If they don't hear about it, this is just beating on some hapless folks for no reason.....

What a load!

As someone said earlier, posting this here isn't necessarily to help the people in the picture. It's pointing out to people who come and learn from these forums about how many people here (many who are pros) view it.

 

[Marc valero]

Depends on what they're sight reading. Peaches En Regalia? Chart on!
Mony Mony? Shame.

I couldn't find any video of this band.

Who's responsible for seeing that all this helpful criticism gets back to the band in the photo?

If they don't hear about it, this is just beating on some hapless folks for no reason.....

What a load!

THEY ARE PLAYING TONIGHT
I plan to check them out and talk to them. Hear what they sound like and see why they need all that wiring for one instrumentalist and a few microphones. Will report back.