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Jaco clip causing some controversy

This is still going? The consensus, it seems, is that the mix of the video in the OP isn't great - there are varying opinions of what Jaco is doing in the band, a trio with a vocalist - he carries the chords, the harmony, the bass line - all of it. Whether you like it or not has no bearing on his influence. It's done. There's before Jaco and after Jaco. Just like Bad Brains, or the Beatles, or Hendrix, or Chuck Berry, or Louis Armstrong, or Miles Davis - you take more than just musical influence from these musicians - it's also how you approach music in general. The aforementioned musicians opened the world up to more possibilities and ways to think about how to play your instrument, write songs, arrange, harmonize etc, etc. To think that influence is only in a lick that sounds like Hendrix played it, is trivializing his influence on music of all genres. Same goes for Jaco. It's ok if you don't get it. It really is. Move on. You don't get it, so what? It's not an affront to your ego. Only you can decide if it is or not. The mountain of Jaco's influence is everywhere. Let others appreciate and enjoy the gift. I'm looking forward to Trujillo's project on Jaco.
 
Big Jaco fan here. Big Joni fan too. I don't like everything they have done though. Sometimes Jaco's playing bugs me. Sometimes Joni's vocals bug me. Both in the same song on Dry Cleaner. Both great artists thought. Each has touched me deeply. Immediately identifiable and unique. I wonder what Joni has to say about the way Jaco played Dry Cleaner on that show.

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Please elaborate.

I'm bored and I would just love to hear how Jaco influenced bassists in every single musical genre on the planet (which is wrong, whatever you might think). For the umphteent time...

Heisann DOB! :) I'm bored too, so I'll take a shot at elaborating.. ;)

I guess also much of this depends on how you define the term 'influence' or where do we draw the line on what it means to "be influenced by" someone, right? That has much to do with where you'll land on this issue. I belong in the camp who see Jaco's influence as far reaching and the net he threw was wide. I'll use one specific example as a picture to explain what I mean:

I see a very clear and direct link between Jaco and Tim Commerford of Rage Against The Machine; so Jaco influencing a "heavy metal/rock/funk/rap band". So much of what Tim was doing with technique, approach and tone after he switched from Stingrays (first album) to Jazz Basses (everything after that) came from watching the Modern Electric Bass; Jaco instructional video. Like before he played with the scooped Stingray sound, pushing the treble, and holding the bass low, like "most rockers".
When he saw the Jaco video he immediately raised the level of the bass like, in his own words, "a session guy" for "better technique" and "being able to play with more power and clarity and with less string/fret noise". "He (Jaco) broke it down" he said about the video. Also he said "that I'm no Jaco with my left hand, but my right is pretty strong (like his)", and as far as tone goes I found this quote from fender.com:
Tim:" You can watch the Jaco (Pastorius) instructional video and see Jaco roll up all the pickups and roll the front pickup back and kind of like dial the sound in. That’s one thing about every Jazz Bass that I love—if you turn up both pickups all the way and then roll that front back, you kind of get that low-end “doo-doo-doo” sound, and then it goes into a (makes an open-ended “wah” sound). That’s my sound, right there. That’s it. No other bass does that for me. My hand goes there and it knows how to roll the pickups real quick and make it happen"
And that's the sound he's using + making it his own by all the amps and distortion stuff he's got going on. So yeah, he's still playing the RATM-songs and those kind of bass lines, but there is a Jaco influence there, and (I think) it is significant. And I think Tim thinks so too, because he's been talking quite a bit about Jaco in interviews over the years. So that's one example.
Also, I see Jaco as a huge influence on my own playing, even though I do not play in a Weather Report cover band, play jazz or fusion. (I can play most of his stuff though, minus Havona ;)) I usually play simpler stuff because what I like the most are good, simple songs. So in that regard; I play more like Sting (also a influence) than Jaco most of the time. But I do love Jaco and his music (even if I don't listen to it every day); because of his compositions (Three Views, John & Mary etc) playing (just about everything) tone and approach to music ("keep my ears open" from Modern Electric Bass). And it's also possible to be influenced by someone without even knowing it, right? Only later on you go "Wow, so that's where that came from"!! :bassist:
 
Jaco influence outside jazz?? It took me about 3 seconds to come up with a couple of examples.

The first one is "Rain" by SWV. (If you've never heard it before, give a listen---Jaco fans will have a good laugh!)

The second one is "Graceland" album by Paul Simon, I probably would not be a bass player without that one. Songs like "Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes" or "You Can Call Me Al" are larded with Jaco influence! (Bakithi Kumalo is a Jaco fan.)
 
Well apparently that won't work, because we've already established that Jaco influenced all players in all genres. So if you don't like every single bass player in the world post-Jaco, you're pissing on Jaco's grave and you're an un-talented, ignorant oaf hack. Or something...

Nobody said that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When you can't win an argument, turn it into a ridiculous parody and then you will win the argument that no one is making. :rollno:
 
Hmmm-I'll do a family tree of sorts
Jaco>Pino Palladino (Paul Young era)>Pino of course plays with every band on the planet that Nathan East doesn't ;)
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Jaco>Mark King>Level 42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_yey7a4i8U
Jaco>Norman Watts Roy>Ian Drury
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGVgfjnLqc
Shades of Come On, Come Over in the last two.
And those are just some random British Blokes.
In the US you have players like Marco Mendoza (Ted Nugent, Whitesnake, etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdxYSsIuq8
Randy Coven (Yngwie Malmsteen)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKNyJ0ZoYBw

A few random Rock Guys, but I'm sure there's more. :)
BTW > is not "greater than" in this case, it's more like "begets" in the Biblical term. :)
As to who begets Jaco, he made no secret of being influenced by Jerry Jemmott, James Jamerson, Bernard Odom with James Brown, and Tommy Cogbill. If you're a younger player and you've never heard these guys, do yourself a favor and check them out as well!
 
leave it to Roy

I've been thinking about a new thread but maybe it's been done before

'Most influential electric bassists of all time' survey - not your fav, not who's hot or not but, who has had the greatest lasting impact on the evolution of the instrument in context

Hmmm-I'll do a family tree of sorts
Jaco>Pino Palladino (Paul Young era)>Pino of course plays with every band on the planet that Nathan East doesn't ;)
Invalid Link Removed
Jaco>Mark King>Level 42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_yey7a4i8U
Jaco>Norman Watts Roy>Ian Drury
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGVgfjnLqc
Shades of Come On, Come Over in the last two.
And those are just some random British Blokes.
In the US you have players like Marco Mendoza (Ted Nugent, Whitesnake, etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcdxYSsIuq8
Randy Coven (Yngwie Malmsteen)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKNyJ0ZoYBw

A few random Rock Guys, but I'm sure there's more. :)
BTW > is not "greater than" in this case, it's more like "begets" in the Biblical term. :)
As to who begets Jaco, he made no secret of being influenced by Jerry Jemmott, James Jamerson, Bernard Odom with James Brown, and Tommy Cogbill. If you're a younger player and you've never heard these guys, do yourself a favor and check them out as well!
 
leave it to Roy

I've been thinking about a new thread but maybe it's been done before

'Most influential electric bassists of all time' survey - not your fav, not who's hot or not but, who has had the greatest lasting impact on the evolution of the instrument in context

I'm all for that! I would definitely put Monk Montgomery, Paul McCartney, James Jamerson, Larry Graham, Jack Bruce, Jack Casady, Carol Kaye, Chris Squire, John Entwhistle, Billy Sheehan, Jaco and Stanley Clarke in there for starters.
Gee that's gonna be a long list! :)
 
I'm all for that! I would definitely put Monk Montgomery, Paul McCartney, James Jamerson, Larry Graham, Jack Bruce, Jack Casady, Carol Kaye, Chris Squire, John Entwhistle, Billy Sheehan, Jaco and Stanley Clarke in there for starters.
Gee that's gonna be a long list! :)


Here comes a complete hijack, but I don't think Sheehan belongs on that list. Wonderful player, completely unique voice. Never met him but by all accounts a really nice guy. But I can't envision whom I might hang under him on the influence family tree. Thoughts?
 
Here comes a complete hijack, but I don't think Sheehan belongs on that list. Wonderful player, completely unique voice. Never met him but by all accounts a really nice guy. But I can't envision whom I might hang under him on the influence family tree. Thoughts?

Maybe some of the new metal guys but that's not my field of expertise I'll leave that to someone else
 
Here comes a complete hijack, but I don't think Sheehan belongs on that list. Wonderful player, completely unique voice. Never met him but by all accounts a really nice guy. But I can't envision whom I might hang under him on the influence family tree. Thoughts?

Maybe swap out Sheehan and put in Tim Bogert, since he seems to be an overlooked player that helped spread the crazy active out front playing on a P-bass that Sheehan took to the next level.
 
I don't want to hijack this thread but being challenged, I don't know how to set up the voting

Me neither. Let me think about and see if I can start a new thread sometime tomorrow. I am facing a day with a session, private students, a rehearsal and a gig so the rest of today is toast. When I get it up and running I'll post a link here.
 
What Peledo said -- well stated.
Some folks may deny his impact and influence but that doesn't alter the fact of its existence.
Nobody plays in a vacuum -- we're all influenced by the sum of what we've heard AND by the history of innovations on our chosen instrument.
For example, there's no jazz saxophonist alive who hasn't been influenced by Charlie Parker, directly or indirectly -- even if they haven't heard his recordings, they've been influenced by those who have.
Same goes for bass guitar and, in Jaco's case, fretless bass in particular. Like it or not, his innovations had an impact -- maybe indirectly -- on how you approach your instrument. Doesn't matter if you like his playing or not.
What does matter is what you do with the innovations -- by James Jamerson and Jaco and many others -- that have been transmitted across several generations of bass players.