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Jad Freer Audio - CAPO multiple preamp

#82
Andrea Lo said:
The thing is that you are sure to run the same filter but clearly you are not.
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I’m running the same filter that you’ve posted twice in terms of matching the knee frequency, filter slope confirmed by the -INF point, and in the case of the Reaper filter you posted, the same phase response. I’m not running the same filter as what’s in the pedal because I don’t have one on-hand to test and verify for myself, which was my point in the previous post.
 
#83
silky smoove said:
I’m not running the same filter as what’s in the pedal because I don’t have one on-hand to test and verify for myself, which was my point in the previous post.
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Thats what I'm doing. I have one on hand, I know the filter type, the slope, dB's / octave and exact frequency. There is nothing to "verify" in the information I am spreading here.
 
#84
Andrea Lo said:
There is nothing to "verify" in the information I am spreading here.
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For you there isn't. For me, as a potential customer, there absolutely is. My experience and the posted information don't align. All I can do is attempt to verify this information to make an informed decision as to whether or not I want to spend my money on a product since there aren't any available locally in the Seattle area that I can find. Again, this doesn't speak to the nature or quality of the product so please don't take it defensively.
 
#85
silky smoove said:
For you there isn't. For me, as a potential customer, there absolutely is. My experience and the posted information don't align.
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I'm sorry but this is still implying something on my side that I must defend. It's not a matter of product or selling things, I don't really care. You are trying to copy a filter looking at a digital drawing saying it does not sound like what it is. And I know what it is for obvious reasons. The graphic simulations are right, audio samples are right, what I'm saying is right, legit and proven. I personally would have quit this exchange a few posts ago but I want to make sure that anybody else who reads this section will have a proper opinion on whats going on here.
 
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#86
Andrea Lo said:
I'm sorry but this is still implying something on my side that I must defend. It's not a matter of product or selling things, I don't really care. You are trying to copy a filter looking at a digital drawing saying it does not sound like what it is. And I know what it is for obvious reasons. The graphic simulations are right, audio samples are right, what I'm saying is right, legit and proven. I personally would have quit this exchange a few posts ago but I want to make sure that anybody else who reads this section will have a proper opinion on whats going on here.
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Speaking only for myself, I don’t think silky smoove’s quest to figure out this lpf thing has altered my opinion or interest in the Capo. The price though - woof! That’s the killer.
 
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#87
Andrea Lo said:
You are trying to copy a filter looking at a digital drawing saying it does not sound like what it is.
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There’s a disconnect here. I am indeed recreating a digital LPF from two images using the tools I have available and my own experience of what that type of filter sounds like. I’m a professional audio engineer and use these types of tools daily. The disconnect is that you seem to think I’m saying that your pedal doesn’t sound like my test. I’m not saying that. I can’t say that as I don’t have your pedal on hand to try. I’m saying that the visual representation of the filters you’ve posted sound different than my experience and test observations. I’ve stated that pedals I own or have owned with similar fixed knee and slope LPFs (Origin Effects SV and Tech 21 Q Strip) have sounded noticeably darker than the clips I’ve heard of the Capo. I’ve also said that all of these comparisons are not scientific as there are a multitude of uncontrolled and uncontrollable variables that can only be resolved by having the actual hardware on hand. Further I’ve indicated that this is not a comment on the quality or tone of your pedal. I’m simply a potential consumer of your product who’s doing their best to understand on an academic level what is happening with a product I’m considering purchasing. That’s it, nothing more.

FWIW I’ve been discussing buying a Capo from a fellow down in Oregon in a regional bass players Facebook group. He’s trying to sell his and has it listed for a good price. Once we get the payment and shipping details sorted out I’ll likely buy it from him and will be able to do my own tests, both informal (simply playing the thing and listening for whether or not I like it), and scientific (connecting it to a controlled system, running a calibrated noise generator through it, and measuring the results on a couple meters I have available).
 
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silky smoove said:
FWIW I’ve been discussing buying a Capo from a fellow down in Oregon in a regional bass players Facebook group. He’s trying to sell his and has it listed for a good price. Once we get the payment and shipping details sorted out I’ll likely buy it from him
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Quoting myself for context.

This potential deal fell through. The guy selling it effectively refused to use any payment method which offered buyer's protection. I pushed for PayPal since we're in different cities, don't know each other, there's no seller rating like here on TB, and they'd have my back to some degree in the event the pedal wasn't what it claimed to be. The only photo he provided was a little grainy, which worries me that it's not an actual photo he took but rather one pulled from Google Images. It might have been just fine, but the whole thing felt unsafe to me so I passed on the deal.

I do still intend to pick one of these up as soon as they're available again from the manufacturer (currently listed as backordered on the website), or if a used one pops up in the TB classifieds.
 
#90
MrDinsdale said:
Well mine is on its way, can't wait to try it out. @silky smoove if you can get a dry recording of your bass id happily try and re amp it through the Capo if it helps?
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That’s generous of you. I’m still trying to find one as I’d like to give it a shot based on the clips I’ve heard. I have a larger test methodology that I do for anything that goes into my IEM rig as an always-on tool, and I won’t be able to do that without physically having a pedal on-hand to test myself. I’m going to keep my eyes open for one on the used market, or when Jad Freer has caught up on their back orders.
 
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silky smoove said:
That’s generous of you. I’m still trying to find one as I’d like to give it a shot based on the clips I’ve heard. I have a larger test methodology that I do for anything that goes into my IEM rig as an always-on tool, and I won’t be able to do that without physically having a pedal on-hand to test myself. I’m going to keep my eyes open for one on the used market, or when Jad Freer has caught up on their back orders.
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I think that listening to someone else's test with a bass isn't going to help that much unless they have a very similar sound to yours. A recording of white noise with and without the filter might be more revealing.
 
#92
smeet said:
A recording of white noise with and without the filter might be more revealing.
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Pink noise is far more useful in those kinds of tests, and there are several other factors in the signal chain that need to be controlled for the results to be predictable. That's the kind of thing that I do as step two in the testing methodology I described earlier. Step one is to just play the thing, see how I like it, how it responds, etc. Step two is the analysis. Step three is playing it again after completing the analysis to see if the results confirmed my suspicions about certain aspects, or if having a deeper understanding of the results leads me to different conclusions when using the pedal as I would on a gig. This probably sounds overly extensive, but I play in a high level GB group that gigs a ton (too much honestly) exclusively for high profile, high dollar events with no amps on stage. Anything that's going to be the main source of tone (other than me and my basses) for both the FOH and IEM rigs needs to be considered carefully as maintaining these types of clients and bookings requires an incredible FOH sound. We have full-time FOH engineer and an assistant engineer, and they do great work, but I still like to be very judicious with what I'm providing them in terms of a signal. A perfect example is the Origin Effects Super Vintage I'm currently using. If its LPF were set 1-2khz higher I wouldn't consider any other pedal as it would be perfect for my preferences. As-is it's just a little dark for my taste even though it does sound great. The Capo feels like it might be on the other end of the spectrum; Adequately bright and present for my preferences, but possibly lacking a little of the warmth in the bottom end and midrange that the Super Vintage does so well. I won't know until I try, which will hopefully happen soon.
 
#96
When I ordered mine from the reverb shop it said 3 weeks but it suppose to arrive on Monday, so 2 weeks. Nice!

hope my country’s DHL office won’t do any problems, they have a bad reputation.
 
#98
English is not my first language so forgive me if I have any mistakes

so mine just arrived after 12 days, been playing with it for the last couple of hours, straight to my daw with
headphones. I played with a fender precision, guild starfire and a fender musicmaster all strung with flats (and it can give you an idea about the genres I play)

AMAZING! I was a little bit ready to disappoint because of all the hype but I'm really am in awe of this piece.
everything is just tailored so well and with so much thought behind it, for example I thought I wouldn't like the j saturation cause I like my vintagey mids but when I tried it i just bumped a little bit of the mids back, cut a little treble with the VERY nice eq, and I enjoyed the j saturation very much.
as anglecrusher said it can even make my precision with flats a grit machine, not as much as real rounds but that's what I like.

I really liked the eq, specifically the fact that the bass is set at 80hz which for me it doesn’t interfere with the instrument character but adds nice pillowy lows. And for more character stuff you can always use the semi parametric mids.

I dislike how preamp mostly colour my sound, to a point that sometimes I a/b with FOH guys and they prefer the clean sound, but I feel that the capo can be very subtle, didn’t try it live yet but that’s my guts.
it’s very versatile yet can be very specific

didn’t talk about the B section and all that but it can go from subtle boost to distortion. And it sounds great.

@Andrea Lo, It feels and sounds like a product with a lot of thought and love.
 
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Mines expected on Wednesday, really looking forward to having a fiddle. Hopefully the last addition to my pedalboard in quite some time!

I suspect the tone ill be going for is from the opposite end of the spectrum. Loads of aggressive mids for a snarly aggressive sound with lots of grit. Will post back how i get on.

The interesting bit for me will be if i finally feel like i can take the Model FeT off my board.
 
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