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Joe Dart build with student

Dec 24, 2018
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Ok, I have a few irons in the fire at the moment with a mandocello conversion and a workshop build, but this one is official school business. Sort of.

Last year, I finished up a dual 51 p-bass scratch build with a student (I teach middle and high school orchestra). Long story short, we started the build when she was a junior before the pandemic and finished it the week she graduated during the pandemic.
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It was a big deal for us, kind of a physical symbol of the importance of perseverance. For me personally, it forced me to follow through and finally finish a project. I am easily distracted, but as a teacher I’ll never let a student down if I can help it. She’s at college now and wrote me the other day:

“I know I mentioned this in the first email but I’m going to reiterate the sentiment: you’ve gotta try to keep the instrument building going it’s seriously one of if not the best things I’ve ever done, mostly because I have a bass that is my own that I made but also because the way other people react,,,, Like this is Cornell, oh you’re smart? Whatever so’s everyone else. You did robotics? So did like 4 dozen other people. YOU BUILT YOUR OWN INSTRUMENT????? It’s great!”

That’s awesome.

So as that was winding up another bass player in my high school orchestra approached me at the end of last year and requested a Joe Dart build.

I know there are some strong feelings on that bass here.

But he worships the guy and I get it, I had the same feeling as a teen about my musical idols. Plus, he doesn’t have $2k to throw around. So we are going to build a Joe Dart, and my twin will be a classic 70s Stringray. Never played one, but looking forward to it.

So if anyone has some inside info to share please do! Here are some specifics I am trolling for:

-the knob. I researched it and see it is a copy of a vintage RCA Viz knob, but I can’t find a white one in the states. Found some in England though!
-the bridge. This one is for me. I want the real bridge, but they seem to be like hen’s teeth. Anyone have a stash of 70s stingray bridges?
-the wiring. For the Dart, I don’t know if anyone has seen the cavity on this. Seems awful big since it is only housing a single pot. Now I am assuming the pickup goes straight to the volume and to the jack with no caps, but if anyone knows otherwise please chime in.
-the pickup. For the Dart, I see it is a specific passive music man pickup. I am wondering if anyone has experience with a similar off-brand pickup. I see Aguilar and a few other companies make stingray pickups, didn’t know if anyone had insight as to whether this was a ceramic or alnico pickup, etc.

Will start posting our progress tomorrow, templates coming, stay tuned!
 
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Wow they really include a lot of specs!

Specifications Joe Dart Sterling
Model Joe Dart Sterling
Size 12-1/2" wide, 1-5/8" thick, 43-7/8" long (31.8 cm wide, 4.1 cm thick, 111.4 cm long)
Body Wood Ash
Body Finish Satin
Body Colors Black Velvet, Velvet Natural
Body Bindings N/A
Bridge Vintage Music Man® top loaded chrome plated, steel bridge plate with vintage nickel plated steel saddles
Pickguard N/A
Scale Length 34" (86.4 cm)
Neck Radius 11" (27.9 cm)
Headstock Size Only 7-5/8" (19.4 cm) long
Frets 22 - High profile, wide, Stainless Steel
Neck Width 1-1/2" (38.1 mm) at nut, 2-1/2" (63.5 mm) at last fret
Neck Wood Figured maple neck
Fingerboard Figured Maple
Fret Markers Dot inlay
Neck Finish Gunstock oil and hand-rubbed special wax blend
Neck Colors Natural
Neck Binding N/A
Tuning Machines Schaller BM, with tapered string posts
Neck Attachment 5 bolts - Sculpted neck joint allows smooth access to higher frets
Electronic Shielding Graphite acrylic resin coated body cavity and aluminum control cover
Controls 100k ohm Volume pot
Switching None
Pickups Music Man Custom wound Sterling Bass pickup- ceramic magnet, parallel coils, no phantom coil
Left Handed No
Strings 45w-65w-85w-105w (Custom Electric Bass Flatwounds)

Joe Dart | Basses | Ernie Ball Music Man
 
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With those photos and and the listed specs, I could easily draw that bass as full size 2d plans in Autocad, Pro Bono, of course. PM me if interested. I weirdly enjoy drawing basses, go figure. I think a lot of people reacted negatively to the Joe Dart because of the price, which seemed exhorbitant for a one pup bass with ultra-simple electronics. Lets face it, it kinda is, but that doesnt mean its not a great bass in its own right, and the simplicity makes it a pretty straightforward build.

Edit: just re-read where you said "templates coming", sounds like you got it covered. I might draw it anyway, just for fun, if anybody else wants to try their hand.
 
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People have paid a whole lot more money for instruments that were nearly as simple - I never understood the "If it's so simple then why is it expensive" argument, considering making it as "complicated" as typical lusted-after basses would take about $3 in parts and an extra 8 minutes on the assembly line. Hardly a reason to demand a cheaper price.

Anyways. That knob looks like it would be a great candidate for a 3d printer! Maybe a good way to cross pollinate the project with that area if your school has one?
 
Ok, I have a few irons in the fire at the moment with a mandocello conversion and a workshop build, but this one is official school business. Sort of.

Last year, I finished up a dual 51 p-bass scratch build with a student (I teach middle and high school orchestra). Long story short, we started the build when she was a junior before the pandemic and finished it the week she graduated during the pandemic.
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It was a big deal for us, kind of a physical symbol of the importance of perseverance. For me personally, it forced me to follow through and finally finish a project. I am easily distracted, but as a teacher I’ll never let a student down if I can help it. She’s at college now and wrote me the other day:

“I know I mentioned this in the first email but I’m going to reiterate the sentiment: you’ve gotta try to keep the instrument building going it’s seriously one of if not the best things I’ve ever done, mostly because I have a bass that is my own that I made but also because the way other people react,,,, Like this is Cornell, oh you’re smart? Whatever so’s everyone else. You did robotics? So did like 4 dozen other people. YOU BUILT YOUR OWN INSTRUMENT????? It’s great!”

That’s awesome.

So as that was winding up another bass player in my high school orchestra approached me at the end of last year and requested a Joe Dart build.

I know there are some strong feelings on that bass here.

But he worships the guy and I get it, I had the same feeling as a teen about my musical idols. Plus, he doesn’t have $2k to throw around. So we are going to build a Joe Dart, and my twin will be a classic 70s Stringray. Never played one, but looking forward to it.

So if anyone has some inside info to share please do! Here are some specifics I am trolling for:

-the knob. I researched it and see it is a copy of a vintage RCA Viz knob, but I can’t find a white one in the states. Found some in England though!
-the bridge. This one is for me. I want the real bridge, but they seem to be like hen’s teeth. Anyone have a stash of 70s stingray bridges?
-the wiring. For the Dart, I don’t know if anyone has seen the cavity on this. Seems awful big since it is only housing a single pot. Now I am assuming the pickup goes straight to the volume and to the jack with no caps, but if anyone knows otherwise please chime in.
-the pickup. For the Dart, I see it is a specific passive music man pickup. I am wondering if anyone has experience with a similar off-brand pickup. I see Aguilar and a few other companies make stingray pickups, didn’t know if anyone had insight as to whether this was a ceramic or alnico pickup, etc.

Will start posting our progress tomorrow, templates coming, stay tuned!

I can't help at all with your build, or specs. But thanks for being an awesome human. We need more humans like you.
 
People have paid a whole lot more money for instruments that were nearly as simple - I never understood the "If it's so simple then why is it expensive" argument, considering making it as "complicated" as typical lusted-after basses would take about $3 in parts and an extra 8 minutes on the assembly line. Hardly a reason to demand a cheaper price.

Anyways. That knob looks like it would be a great candidate for a 3d printer! Maybe a good way to cross pollinate the project with that area if your school has one?
That’s a great idea!
 
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@Verner
With those photos and and the listed specs, I could easily draw that bass as full size 2d plans in Autocad, Pro Bono, of course. PM me if interested. I weirdly enjoy drawing basses, go figure. I think a lot of people reacted negatively to the Joe Dart because of the price, which seemed exhorbitant for a one pup bass with ultra-simple electronics. Lets face it, it kinda is, but that doesnt mean its not a great bass in its own right, and the simplicity makes it a pretty straightforward build.

Edit: just re-read where you said "templates coming", sounds like you got it covered. I might draw it anyway, just for fun, if anybody else wants to try their hand.
I know firsthand about your top-notch templates!
 
Ok, I have a few irons in the fire at the moment with a mandocello conversion and a workshop build, but this one is official school business. Sort of.

Last year, I finished up a dual 51 p-bass scratch build with a student (I teach middle and high school orchestra). Long story short, we started the build when she was a junior before the pandemic and finished it the week she graduated during the pandemic.
View attachment 4457507
It was a big deal for us, kind of a physical symbol of the importance of perseverance. For me personally, it forced me to follow through and finally finish a project. I am easily distracted, but as a teacher I’ll never let a student down if I can help it. She’s at college now and wrote me the other day:

“I know I mentioned this in the first email but I’m going to reiterate the sentiment: you’ve gotta try to keep the instrument building going it’s seriously one of if not the best things I’ve ever done, mostly because I have a bass that is my own that I made but also because the way other people react,,,, Like this is Cornell, oh you’re smart? Whatever so’s everyone else. You did robotics? So did like 4 dozen other people. YOU BUILT YOUR OWN INSTRUMENT????? It’s great!”

That’s awesome.

So as that was winding up another bass player in my high school orchestra approached me at the end of last year and requested a Joe Dart build.

I know there are some strong feelings on that bass here.

But he worships the guy and I get it, I had the same feeling as a teen about my musical idols. Plus, he doesn’t have $2k to throw around. So we are going to build a Joe Dart, and my twin will be a classic 70s Stringray. Never played one, but looking forward to it.

So if anyone has some inside info to share please do! Here are some specifics I am trolling for:

-the knob. I researched it and see it is a copy of a vintage RCA Viz knob, but I can’t find a white one in the states. Found some in England though!
-the bridge. This one is for me. I want the real bridge, but they seem to be like hen’s teeth. Anyone have a stash of 70s stingray bridges?
-the wiring. For the Dart, I don’t know if anyone has seen the cavity on this. Seems awful big since it is only housing a single pot. Now I am assuming the pickup goes straight to the volume and to the jack with no caps, but if anyone knows otherwise please chime in.
-the pickup. For the Dart, I see it is a specific passive music man pickup. I am wondering if anyone has experience with a similar off-brand pickup. I see Aguilar and a few other companies make stingray pickups, didn’t know if anyone had insight as to whether this was a ceramic or alnico pickup, etc.

Will start posting our progress tomorrow, templates coming, stay tuned!
Alnico IV

Wired in series.
 
I've tested the Nordstrand MM pickup versus the actual MM pickup in a bass I used to have and it was almost exactly the same sound and output. It was the MM 4.2 model.

Those bridges are near impossible to find though. IF they come up for sale, they go for money that would likely make you want to consider just buying the Dart sig whole.

Sounds like a cool project, looking forward to seeing it!
 
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I've tested the Nordstrand MM pickup versus the actual MM pickup in a bass I used to have and it was almost exactly the same sound and output. It was the MM 4.2 model.

Those bridges are near impossible to find though. IF they come up for sale, they go for money that would likely make you want to consider just buying the Dart sig whole.

Sounds like a cool project, looking forward to seeing it!
Completely agreed on the bridge. That will be the biggest stumbling block. I'd probably see about making something out of bent plate, or a trompe l'oeil effect like @MPU did here: MPUstang build
Start of thread: MPUstang build
 
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