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John Taylor of Duran Duran

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Duran Duran's "Girls On Film"
By Chris Jisi | January 2005

John Taylor At His Funky Finest

Mention '80s British pop to us bassists and we’re bound to conjure up Sting’s deep, compositional Police lines, Pino Palladino’s ultra-melodic fretless sub-hooks with Go West and Paul Young, and Mark King’s iron-clad thumb work with Level 42. But there’s another interesting voice of the era whose contributions loom larger in retrospect: John Taylor of Duran Duran. A guitarist who switched to bass, Taylor brought to the band equal parts punk rock (à la New York Dolls guitarist Johnny Thunders’ slurring, swagger-filled approach) and R&B bass—specifically the ghost-note throb of Chi'’s Bernard Edwards, who would later produce Taylor’s second gold-selling band, Power Station. The result is Taylor's edgy-but-anchored, syncopated style, which turned countless young rock-minded bassists onto the joys of locking with the drums and bringing the funk.

Taylor’s best known bass work is probably Duran’s "Rio" [from Rio, EMI/Capitol] and Power Station's "Some Like it Hot" [from Power Station, EMI/Capitol], but his seminal, style-defining track is undoubtedly "Girls on Film," from the band’s self-titled 1981 debut on EMI/Capitol. John recalls, smiling, “I still love it—it’s one of our best tunes and one of my best bass tracks. Since this was our first album, we had been playing the songs for quite a while. We really had them together.” He continues, "'Girls on Film' actually went through several revisions; the first demo we made was very straight, with four-on-the-floor drums and a stiff octave-bass part. But as time went on, both Roger [Taylor, drummer] and I opened things up and tried different approaches. At that point we were both very influenced by the work of [bassist] George Murray and Stevie Wonder drummer Dennis Davis on David Bowie’s albums Station to Station, Stage, and especially Low. Eventually, I stumbled upon my syncopated line.”

In the studio that day, Taylor used two fingers to pluck his single-pickup Aria SB 700 bass, which was strung with Rotosounds and recorded both direct and through a miked amp. The bass is so well recorded you can hear virtually every ghost-note. "That’s a credit to the brilliance of producer/engineer Colin Thurston," notes John. "You can hear all of us clearly, but never at the expense of each other or the overall mix." Taylor remembers doing only a few takes, recording with Roger Taylor (no relation), while guitarist Andy Taylor (no relation) and singer Simon LeBon provided scratch tracks. John says he may have done a bass punch or two. To help keep a steady tempo, the band played along with a Kay Memory Rhythm drum machine.

The track opens with the sound of cameras clicking and Roger Taylor's four-bar drum setup. John enters at bar 5 with a two-bar intro phrase that will become the foundation of the verses. Note the syncopated ghost-notes within beats one and two, which he gets via left-hand damping of the open A string. While he might have normally fretted those A’s on the E string (and the D’s in bar 2 on the A string), the use of open strings helped him facilitate the rhythmic figure. Also note the octaves on beats three and four, a holdover from the original demo’s disco-flavored bass line. At the end of bar 2, John “pops” the notes with his index finger, a stylistic nod to slapping, which was just becoming all the rage at the time. Most important, the intro’s four bars (bars 5–8) set up an interesting template in which John continually varies his part via the built-in fill space on the last two beats of every other bar (the ones with the D7 chord)—a benefit of having played the song long enough to build up a vocabulary of fill ideas.

At A, the first verse, Taylor continues this format with, among others, a popped fill in bar 10, an ear-catching 5ths fill in bar 18, and a cool chromatic climb from the low F in bar 24. 2I was just focusing on keeping the groove going while trying to make the part sound interesting and exciting, and make it "move around the vocal. Remember, we were a band of 19- and 20-year-olds, and everybody wanted to be heard and be a star. I was playing to the very peak of my abilities at the time, pulling out every trick I knew." A 6/4 breakdown (bar 25) leads to the first chorus, at B. In this section, the Am7/D7 progression reverses and goes twice as long (two bars of each chord). Here, John takes on the additional role of echoing the vocal melody with the four eighth-notes at the ends of bars 25, 27, 29, and 31. Bars 34–37 are a groove transition to the second verse at C. In this section, as well as in the second chorus at D, Taylor continues with similar propulsive syncopation.

For the bridge, at E, the Taylor-made rhythm section breaks it down, and John goes to quarter-notes with syncopation on the backhand side of the two-bar phrases. Building momentum at bar 70, he adds more of his signature syncopation and a 3rd in the bass every other bar. F, verse three, mines previous terrain, but at G, the out chorus, John reigns his line in subtly. "I've always felt that as you get toward the fade of a track, the ad-libbing becomes more the role of the singer and lead instruments, so it behooves the rhythm section to calm down a bit and really lock in the support for them." Currently, in concert with Duran Duran, the reverse is true. Taylor laughs, "We’ve been doing 'Girls' and 'Rio' as our encore numbers, so while everyone in the band is wiped out by the end of the show, I'’m thinking, Damn—I've just got to get going now."
 
Well I gotta tell ya, tha show Friday at the Agganis Arena was amazingly good. It was the first concert ever played there, and I thought the acoustics were very good indeed. Great crowd, great sound, and the band were very very good.

John Taylor was thumping along very nicely, and keeping his old lines up properly... as well as the new songs they interspersed thru the set, that were well recieved. His Cirrus & Peavey rig sounded pretty great, I was impressed. Are those basses 35" scale? Looks like they have a mile long neck fer Chrissakes...

They encored with Girls on Film & Rio, and the place was goign nutty. Glad to see I've been playing Rio correctly all these years. :smug:

Ron
 
Mon Rominee said:
His Cirrus & Peavey rig sounded pretty great, I was impressed. Are those basses 35" scale? Looks like they have a mile long neck fer Chrissakes...
All (neck-through) Cirrus basses are 35" scale. The narrow spacing on the 5 & 6 strings, and deep cutaway access to the 24th fret, makes the necks look very long.
 
Huge Duran and Japan fan; Bernard Edwards DID cut those lines first (a possible exception: the "demo" of "Some Like It HOt" before Palmer was in, but I digress) The change in style in later years, he attributes to the departure of his rythm section buds Roger and Andy Taylor, hence the less forward, kind of less interesting and quirky style from the early records. I would imagine music evolution in general also having something to do with it, as it seems many bands styles of playing became way more straight forward, and kind of bland (in my opinion) John was even boozing alot during the recording of Rio, finally cleaned up and had to leave during that second Power Station album. Sorry to add no real new-ness to this, just have to comment on a major influence to my playing, as Duran were kind of like my Beatles too, for the 80's anyway.

Oh, Warren Cucurullo DID NOT rejoin, even as a sub on this current Duran tour. That would NEVER happen Dominic Brown is the fill in, as needed.
 
I know he's most famous for playing the SB1000 single-pickup, recently reissued as the Aria John Taylor sig. bass, but did he play other models of Arias?

I ask, as at a gig last week I was offered the use of an Aria twin pickup bass that was claimed to belong to him (I used my own bass in the end).
apparently Taylor used it on the Seven and the ragged tiger album and tour- anyone got any pics from this tour?
the story is he gave it away during his time with the Neurotic outsiders.

the bass was like an SB, thru-neck, light colour body wings (ash?), ebony board, 24 frets, what seemed like 18mm spacing, 2 pickups.
 
yeah, I have one of those (in that exact colour too).

between the sb-1000 and the sb elite-ii, there a number of differences.

sb-1000
active
string spacing: 16mm(!) at bridge

sb-elite ii
passive
string spaceing: 18mm at bridge (maybe 19mm)
series/parallel switch per pickup

Also, the sb-elite ii I have is a good pound or two lighter than my sb-1000
 
davidmwilson said:
The Kubicki and Steinberger were around powerstation time onwards, before that we was an Aria man through and through.
yeah, he used the later model 2 pickup versions as well as the famous sb-1000 - the two pickup version he used was the SB Elite II iirc

He actually also had the SB-900. I recently came across a 1982 edition of Musician Magazine with he and Roger on the cover. JT was pictured with an oak SB-900. Essentially the Elite II is the SB-900 but with 18mm spacing as opposed to 16mm spacing. I am certain it was an SB-900 because it did not have the eliptical fret dots.

The reality is that JT had a major endorsement deal with Aria yet he played the SB-1000 exclusively. If you watch the "Sing Blue Silver" DVD, the band is filmed for Italian TV and he is "playing" (the band is mock playing in sync to a track) a white SB Elite II. He is also pictured in Aria's 1985 catalog holding a second run RSB P-J bass yet he never played one. Check out the catalogs on www.therathole.org

One last point to mention is that for the first record and for some tracks on Rio, JT was using an SB-600. Essentially a passive SB-1000 with a bolt on neck. I have one of these-- a 1979. The bolt-on SB's are incredibly punchy. You'll notice a tremendous difference in tone beterrn DD and Rio. The former was that darker punchy tone with some bite. The latter has that unmistakeable nasal-ish super-active sound of the SB-1000. The difference is pretty dramatic.
 
rogerbmiller said:
He actually also had the SB-900. I recently came across a 1982 edition of Musician Magazine with he and Roger on the cover. JT was pictured with an oak SB-900. Essentially the Elite II is the SB-900 but with 18mm spacing as opposed to 16mm spacing. I am certain it was an SB-900 because it did not have the eliptical fret dots.

hmm, maybe the bass I encountered was this one (I seem to remember round dot fretboard markers) but I'd have found 16mm spacing pretty awkward.
there was no model number on the truss rod cover, or anywhere else.

the current owner's band might be going places soon, so I'll keep an eye out for any pics that crop up of it in use (now slung very low- on two straps gaffered together!).
 
The Mock Turtle Regulator said:
heh, looking at that Aria catalog page http://www.therathole.org/guitars/models/ariaproii/bass/sb/sb.html

-lots of conflicting info over what model it could be-
rosewood/ebony board? dot/oval markers? natural oak/natural zebrawood? 16mm/18mm spacing?
-SB Elite, SB 900, SB R150?
:D

interesting 84/85 endorser list- Marcus Miller, Tony Butler, Neil Murray, Jack Bruce....

There shouldn't be any confusion. The only aria with the ebony board was the SB-1000 and I believe the SB-R150, but it was only made for a couple of years. Early SB-1000's had a jacaranda fingerboard. All other SB's have rosewood.

The Elite I and II basses were simply the replacement models for the SB-R80 and SB R-60. Same bass but the Elites had the trendoer gold hardware and came in solid colors.
 
The Mock Turtle Regulator said:
update- the band the current owner of the bass plays in is called Kunte Kinte (careful with that pronunciation.....). sort of Adam & the Ants Burundi beats revival.

bit of an industry buzz about them in the UK.

I am missing somehting. Are you saying that there is a new bank in the UK now who is playing a vintage Aria???
 
rogerbmiller said:
I am missing somehting. Are you saying that there is a new band in the UK now who is playing a vintage Aria???

yep, the current owner of the bass, Mark, has had it for some years now. John Taylor gave it to him when the band he was in supported the Neurotic Outsiders.

his brother Craig plays guitar in Ian De Sylva's band (that I'm in), as well as Kunte kinte.

Ian took a dislike to the looks of my Hohner B2A cricket bat bass, that I was using for rehearsals and recording (too modern), and suggested I use Mark's bass for a gig.
of course, he should have just asked me if I had any other basses;)

at a rehearsal just before the gig I asked Craig what bass it was- "it's some Aria"
me; "oh, like John Taylor used to play?"

"actually, it IS one of John Taylor's":D

the excessive strap length (and the fact I couldn't figure out the controls in the dark venue where I got to see the bass for the first time) meant I used the Hohner in the end for the gig.

all a bit silly, but nice to encounter a bit of rock memorabilia.

my Warmoth P handles the gigs now.
 
The Mock Turtle Regulator said:
yep, the current owner of the bass, Mark, has had it for some years now. John Taylor gave it to him when the band he was in supported the Neurotic Outsiders.

his brother Craig plays guitar in Ian De Sylva's band (that I'm in), as well as Kunte kinte.

Ian took a dislike to the looks of my Hohner B2A cricket bat bass, that I was using for rehearsals and recording (too modern), and suggested I use Mark's bass for a gig.
of course, he should have just asked me if I had any other basses;)

at a rehearsal just before the gig I asked Craig what bass it was- "it's some Aria"
me; "oh, like John Taylor used to play?"

"actually, it IS one of John Taylor's":D

the excessive strap length (and the fact I couldn't figure out the controls in the dark venue where I got to see the bass for the first time) meant I used the Hohner in the end for the gig.

all a bit silly, but nice to encounter a bit of rock memorabilia.

my Warmoth P handles the gigs now.
Cool story. I tried to buy JT's Kubicki Factor prototype when it was on sale on ebay in 2004 but the bidding got a little rich for my blood. I think the bass got $4400.
 

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