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Jule Amps Monique

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#522
BurningSkies said:
Ok, I figured that it was only fractions of an inch that were keeping my 4 space from working, so I had someone else push the side walls out and I could press the Monique in place. It's in and held in place not only by the rack hardware but also the rack sides itself. It may never come out. Hopefully the back vents are enough, because the side vents have absolutely no clearance at all.
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Whew! I can make that work.
 
#523
JimmyM said:
Munji, a little blurb from Jule's website about those clips:

"The initial bass tracks were recorded directly into a Presonus Firepod, and the backing tracks are simple stock sounds. The Bass tracks were re-amped through a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 into Logic Pro 9. No effects were used in any of the recordings. No reverb, compression, gates, EQ's, nothing. What you hear is purely the DI's."

Um, no it isn't ;) You hear a Firepod reamped through a Focusrite preamp and THEN it hits the DI's. As the owner of both a REDDI and a Countryman Type 85, I can tell you firsthand that the signal chain this well-meaning dude was using eats up a lot of the dramatic effect of the REDDI and Monique. By comparison, here are two clips I did...one is the Countryman, one the REDDI. Both were recorded dead direct into my computer soundcard with no preamping or reamping:

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Now if you can't tell the difference between the Countryman and the REDDI in these clips, you're deaf. Note especially how much thicker and weightier the high notes are with the REDDI. That's the same kind of difference you'll hear with the Monique, too. Now I guess some folks like it when the high notes lose all the bottom and sound like a banjo, but I'm not one of them ;)
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I like the louder one better! :D
 
#526
JimmyM said:
Munji, a little blurb from Jule's website about those clips:

"The initial bass tracks were recorded directly into a Presonus Firepod, and the backing tracks are simple stock sounds. The Bass tracks were re-amped through a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 into Logic Pro 9. No effects were used in any of the recordings. No reverb, compression, gates, EQ's, nothing. What you hear is purely the DI's."

Um, no it isn't ;) You hear a Firepod reamped through a Focusrite preamp and THEN it hits the DI's. As the owner of both a REDDI and a Countryman Type 85, I can tell you firsthand that the signal chain this well-meaning dude was using eats up a lot of the dramatic effect of the REDDI and Monique. By comparison, here are two clips I did...one is the Countryman, one the REDDI. Both were recorded dead direct into my computer soundcard with no preamping or reamping:

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Now if you can't tell the difference between the Countryman and the REDDI in these clips, you're deaf. Note especially how much thicker and weightier the high notes are with the REDDI. That's the same kind of difference you'll hear with the Monique vs the Countryman, too. Now I guess some folks like it when the high notes lose all the bottom and sound like a banjo, but I'm not one of them ;)
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I can hear the difference. The Countryman is known for that particular sound. I suppose they could put some circuitry in it to richen up the highs. I own a bunch of the Countryman DIs, but I use a J48 for bass and save the 85s for guitars. However, the Countryman doesn't suck, it just doesn't have the beefed-up high mids.
 
#528
I think the other factor though, is the difference in the feel of the amp. That is something that sound clips just can't capture. It is a bigger variable in basses (how they feel relative to recorded tone) but I find that amps feel different as well. I agree that in a mix the sonic bits tend to get lost, but if I can still feel a difference then it is worth it to me.
 
#529
nostatic said:
I think the other factor though, is the difference in the feel of the amp. That is something that sound clips just can't capture. It is a bigger variable in basses (how they feel relative to recorded tone) but I find that amps feel different as well. I agree that in a mix the sonic bits tend to get lost, but if I can still feel a difference then it is worth it to me.
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I don't know what that means.
 
#530
Have you ever played a guitar through a really good tube amp? The amp isn't just a box with a knob to make it go louder. The front end reacts to your technique and the sound changes depending on how you work the instrument.

I don't have a lot of time with all tube bass amps, but I do know that different amps respond to my technique a bit differently. Just like different basses do. For instance last night I was having a lot easier time with my Sadowsky than my Fodera at the gig. Nothing to do with the playability - it was the context of the mix, the soundguy, and my technique (or lack thereof).
 
#531
Too bad I'm at a hotel with crap internet.

Well hey, not everything appeals to everyone. The Monique isn't going to put Countryman or Radial out of business. Stuff like this is designed for those of us who find stuff like Countryman and Radial woefully inadequate and are willing to pay to have something we like ;) But as always, it's the player who makes the gear, not the gear making the player, so I'm sure I would be just fine watching you on a gig playing through a J48. It's a perfectly valid choice. Just don't expect lots of warm fuzzies from us tube/transformer types.
 
#532
Munjibunga said:
I don't know what that means.
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Hey there.
I love my Countryman. It doesn't suck.
There is no comparison in the real world between it and the Monique. Heck the Summit TD-100 blows away the Countryman easy. For $300 plus.
That's my opinion of course.
I do own them.

Some samples online aren't why this thing has captured our attention. It does deliver the give of power tubes. How? I don't know.:)


Many folks don't have adequate gear to listen to these samples. The difference between a squashed mp3 and a wav. file is tremendous. The gap between those files and real life is ridiculous!
 
#533
Honestly, chadds, even listening to my squashed MP3's of the Countryman and REDDI point out the glaring differences so obviously to my ears that I don't know how anyone can even make the comparison. Not saying that to plug the REDDI in Jule's thread or anything, but comparisons are inevitable, and the Monique and REDDI operate from the same basic principle of tubes and iron output transformers.
 
#534
JimmyM said:
Honestly, chadds, even listening to my squashed MP3's of the Countryman and REDDI point out the glaring differences so obviously to my ears that I don't know how anyone can even make the comparison. Not saying that to plug the REDDI in Jule's thread or anything, but comparisons are inevitable, and the Monique and REDDI operate from the same basic principle of tubes and iron output transformers.
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I hear you.

I should have said, "Objection your Honor, Argumentative!":):)
 
#536
JimmyM said:
Too bad I'm at a hotel with crap internet.

Well hey, not everything appeals to everyone. The Monique isn't going to put Countryman or Radial out of business. Stuff like this is designed for those of us who find stuff like Countryman and Radial woefully inadequate and are willing to pay to have something we like ;) But as always, it's the player who makes the gear, not the gear making the player, so I'm sure I would be just fine watching you on a gig playing through a J48. It's a perfectly valid choice. Just don't expect lots of warm fuzzies from us tube/transformer types.
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Why would I expect that? I've never gotten them before. You guys may not like it, but my back sure does.
 
#538
Munjibunga said:
Why would I expect that? I've never gotten them before. You guys may not like it, but my back sure does.
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That's why a unit like a Jule is great for people who do like the sound and feel of tubes, Munji. The unit is back friendly at under 15lbs (I haven't weighed it), so you can combine it with a light weight amp and still be well under 25 pounds with your whole rig...tube tone without the boat anchor.
 
#539
Gigged today. Began at 7:30, yes sports fans, 7:30 A.M..:) It's called Damien's Run for Recovery. It's a 5K. The winner ran it in 14.23.
Whoa!!
I've played this run for 14 years in honor of Damien.
The guitarist had gone to bed at 3:00 A.M. He couldn't sleep after hearing Larry Graham tear down the Rams Head last night.

The Monique rackmount was awesome. Rich warm and full. It does sparkling harmonics while simultaneously delivering fat low end. (the guitarist for some reason expected a lot of funk out of me. :) )

I told BurningSkies I wasn't into tube rolling. Well okay well.......
The Monique rack has a'50s Brit rectifier, a '60s W black plate RCA in the second position and a '60s W black plate NOS GE in the first position. 6SL7.
 
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