I really think you guys should speak with Robert Gallien and get your facts correct - but, it’s obvious you wouldn’t believe him anyway - so, carry on.
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Just opened up my 210MBE...
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He's participated in this thread and been evasive.
Things like "we tried it lined and unlined and liked it better unlined" or "they have plenty of bracing (but we added a bunch in the next run)."
Things like "we tried it lined and unlined and liked it better unlined" or "they have plenty of bracing (but we added a bunch in the next run)."
That is not being "evasive", that was their choice as an amp and cabinet builder.....get over it.
That is not being "evasive", that was their choice as an amp and cabinet builder.....get over it.
Mousekillaz said:
No! How dare he not hang on every word written here on TB! Doesn't he realize we make up 100% of their market and sales!
It's evasive because they claimed "these cabs have plenty of bracing" but they added a bunch of bracing to subsequent runs.
Joe Louvar said:
To what facts are you referring? He said it didn't need bracing. Then they put in more bracing. Has nothing to do with what I will or won't believe.
Seems like a nice guy. I'm not going to waste his time calling him. I'm a nobody that's sharing some pics and opinion.
The deed is done.
I wasn't crazy about the grey grill so I painted it black. Also removed the logo. It's metal and feels heavier than the wood I put in. So I don't think this project added any weight.
As far as sound, I think it's an improvement. The sound seems tighter and there seems to be more mid detail. It's hard to say without having another one side by side. I'll gig it outside tomorrow (100+ degrees) with PA support. No need to post the Poppy video on hearing.
These are the intended results. The stiffer cab panels means less energy wasted vibrating them and more coming out as sound. The lining fixes midrange reflections in the box which make choppy mid response, the lining smooths that out and helps a little with boominess. The difference may not be night and day but should be noticable. This stuff isn't that hard or expensive to do after the cab is built. If they did it during assembly, it would only mean a few dollars and a few minutes.
Or they would brace and line their cabinets up front and keep the combo amp lids from buzzing/rattling.
I understand what your getting at. I don't disagree with you either.
Although I suspect that abuse and rough handling causes more problems than anything, as far as buzzing/rattling. Which is why some people like to build their own. The truth of the matter however, is most people have neither the inclination or ability to do so. G-K has made great sounding products for decades and at price points that led them to the top of the heap. I know more vocational bassists using G-K gear than any other brands, which speaks volumes for the companies products.
And besides what would we do with our spare time if everything was perfect.
I was referring to the other TBers post and its not worth the time correcting their statements line by line - anyway, your cab looks very nice and as long as youre a happy camper with the alterations you make thats all that matters - enjoy it, and thanks for sharing the pics and etc.
Anyone have an idea regarding when the internal construction changed? Reading this thread, it appears that no one knew this until recently. (And yes I did a search.)
Couple things I forgot to ask just out of curiosity. Is this a cab or combo? Thought I saw wires running into the cutout where the amp would sit.
And, is that a factory cover on the cutout where the tweeter would go? Or a later add-on from removing the tweeter?
Doesn't really matter either way, it's cheaper to make one big run of cabs even if you don't mount an amp or tweeter in some of them. The tweeter hole cover looks pretty decent....not like a homemade hatchet job, if that is what it is.
Just curious. No criticisms there, you already fixed the inside.
And, is that a factory cover on the cutout where the tweeter would go? Or a later add-on from removing the tweeter?
Doesn't really matter either way, it's cheaper to make one big run of cabs even if you don't mount an amp or tweeter in some of them. The tweeter hole cover looks pretty decent....not like a homemade hatchet job, if that is what it is.
Just curious. No criticisms there, you already fixed the inside.
Good question. There've been complaints of these things vibrating/rattling loose up until at least several months ago. Also, GK recently moved more production, or at least assembly, back to the US recently, I think including the small amps that are used in these combo's. Perhaps some re-tooling, new production runs coincide with that move?
I don't know when the change was actually made bit I would assume it woukd take a few months for the last, earlier run to be produced, end up here in a shipping container, get to retailers and then for that inventory to get sold before we started seeing these versions?
Aside from the salesman speak, which comes with any industry and I have a low tolerance for any of it....good on them for at least bringing something back here.
I had all the materials except the batting so it was $6 bucks and a couple of hours. There was a learning curve and numerous interruptions that come when you have 3 children ages 10-12.
I tried an Arnopol crazy 88 in the attempt to get a small rig anticipating PA support for anything that needed bigger. I discovered my needs could be met with the much less expensive MB210. But in the side by side comparison the 88, though lacking in fullness, had a much richer sound with more character in each note.
That's what I feel I'm hearing now from the GK. More detail in the notes than before.
I've done two gigs with the MB, one with PA and one without. It did the job both times with no trouble. The one without PA was in a difficult L shaped room, hardwood floors and tall ceilings. Very boomy. But it did very well.
What got me started was getting ready for tomorrow's gig. I talked with the sound guy and got the impression he may not be providing much bass to the stage. I was worried about the 210 not being enough and started reading up on the 210MBE. Can't find one but started reading about the bracing/dampening.
When you don't know much about this stuff it's difficult to know which direction to take when different knowledgeable, credible sources disagree. So I had some time today and took a shot. Didn't mean to stir the argument. But just seeing that the build has changed in the last couple of years makes it a worthwhile post whether you think it needs dampening or not.
Thanks for the input, and thanks Rpsands, BFM, rag and others. For me it was a great learning experience. It's a great little combo, super easy to carry and easy to dial in a good sound. Now it's a little better IMHO. Still not delighted with the tweeter, but I just leave it off.
For the record I've owned a bunch of GK products and recommend and continue to recommend them. Calling RG on a couple items of marketing-speak doesn't mean I have anything against him or GK
Me either. Still love my 800rb, and I still recommend their stuff to people.
It's evasive because they claimed "these cabs have plenty of bracing" but they added a bunch of bracing to subsequent runs.
I admit I was unaware of this....maybe the good people of GK thought it to be a better product now with this added bracing.....still for the price you can't go wrong for an entry level cabinet!!!
I admit I was unaware of this....maybe the good people of GK thought it to be a better product now with this added bracing.....still for the price you can't go wrong for an entry level cabinet!!!
