K-Dot Halftime Show

[turf3]

I propose next year there be two acts:

1) The Texas A&M Fighting Aggie Band
2) The Grambling State Tiger Marching Band.

Let's go back to football and football halftime shows.

 

[JazznFunk]

A real sign that rock music is not as popular as it once was is that there really isn't a current rock band that is of any mass interest anymore to warrant a half time show.
That's not raps fault, times and tastes have changed.

Insufferable 'Bro Country' has taken the top spot in terms of 'real bands with real instruments' from rock bands, unfortunately.

 

[turf3]

Insufferable 'Bro Country' has taken the top spot in terms of 'real bands with real instruments' from rock bands, unfortunately.

So how about an entire Super Bowel Half Time Show (R) of pickup trucks, hot girls in shorts, drinking beer, dirt roads, and drinking beer with hot girls in shorts in a pickup truck on a dirt road, etc.?

I"m still going to vote for the A&M and Grambling bands to share the show.

 

[JazznFunk]

So how about an entire Super Bowel Half Time Show (R) of pickup trucks, hot girls in shorts, drinking beer, dirt roads, and drinking beer with hot girls in shorts in a pickup truck on a dirt road, etc.?

I"m still going to vote for the A&M and Grambling bands to share the show.

It's interesting that you say that.... Since that general aesthetic has been featured before with little opposition, it speaks volumes as to what the 'family friendly entertainment at the Super Bowl' crowd accepts as 'entertainment.' White male entertainers and scantily dressed female accompaniment in a culturally and nationally accepted and approved display of 'American culture', thumbs up. Something that isn't that.... 'I hated it.'

 

[richntiff]

So how about an entire Super Bowel Half Time Show (R) of pickup trucks, hot girls in shorts, drinking beer, dirt roads, and drinking beer with hot girls in shorts in a pickup truck on a dirt road, etc.?

I"m still going to vote for the A&M and Grambling bands to share the show.

these are the things that have me rooting for the 2027 asteroid

 

[nutdog]

A real sign that rock music is not as popular as it once was is that there really isn't a current rock band that is of any mass interest anymore to warrant a half time show.
That's not raps fault, times and tastes have changed.

It wasn't that long ago they had coldplay, maroon5, katy perry, lady gaga, timberlake... But entertainment audiences are fragmented in a way now that they weren't in the past. It's going to be hard to get somebody that everyone likes or even knows. The NFL knows they have the old white guy football fan. They're trying to get a new generation to part ways with their money and they're not picky. They'll take 12 year old swifties or wannabe rappers. It's hard to get everybody to like something but the NFL is as close as it gets these days.

hot girls in shorts

Part and parcel of every football game ever. Football and hot girls in shorts go together like quarterbacks and, uh, cheerleaders.

It's interesting that you say that.... Since that general aesthetic has been featured before with little opposition, it speaks volumes as to what the 'family friendly entertainment at the Super Bowl' crowd accepts as 'entertainment.' White male entertainers and scantily dressed female accompaniment in a culturally and nationally accepted and approved display of 'American culture', thumbs up. Something that isn't that.... 'I hated it.'

It's possible for people to not like a show/entertainer for reasons besides race. Plenty of talkbass "diss" for the "approved displays" in the past. Most everyone seemed to dig the Prince show. Me, I'm not fond of lyrics that aggrandize the singer in 3rd person. I couldn't understand anything KL said and when I looked up the "brilliant" lyrics of the "diss track" what little I could understand wasn't very appealling. Frankly, you're going to lose me at "diss track". But apparently lots of people do like it so good for them.

I watched and was unmoved. Is that hate? To quote Frank Zappa, "There's no accounting for taste." I fell asleep for most of the second half.

 

[turf3]

It's interesting that you say that.... Since that general aesthetic has been featured before with little opposition, it speaks volumes as to what the 'family friendly entertainment at the Super Bowl' crowd accepts as 'entertainment.' White male entertainers and scantily dressed female accompaniment in a culturally and nationally accepted and approved display of 'American culture', thumbs up. Something that isn't that.... 'I hated it.'

While many of the members of the Grambling State marching band are male, I suspect very few of them are white...

 

[nutdog]

While many of the members of the Grambling State marching band are male, I suspect very few of them are white...

The SU pregame was awesome. That dude leaning back til his hat hit the ground....

 

[JazznFunk]

It's possible for people to not like a show/entertainer for reasons besides race. Plenty of talkbass "diss" for the "approved displays" in the past. Most everyone seemed to dig the Prince show. Me, I'm not fond of lyrics that aggrandize the singer in 3rd person. I couldn't understand anything KL said and when I looked up the "brilliant" lyrics of the "diss track" what little I could understand wasn't very appealling. Frankly, you're going to lose me at "diss track". But apparently lots of people do like it so good for them.

I watched and was unmoved. Is that hate? To quote Frank Zappa, "There's no accounting for taste." I fell asleep for most of the second half.

If you look at the halftime shows which generally garner the most vocal opposition, particularly from the 'old guard' of NFL fans, it's for 2 reasons: it's 'offensive' to them because of the amount of female flesh being displayed - especially if it's a female performer as the headliner - or they simply don't understand the music they're hearing - either by choice or by genuine unfamiliarity. The hope is that someone says 'hey, that was cool.... maybe I'll check out more of it.' Rarely is that the case. Usually, the knee jerk is to criticism.

Prince was that rare combo of artistry and a show that seemed to transcend everything else. It was indeed masterful. It was also a very, very different time in this country and world. I don't think we'll ever forget that one.

I remember the people who thought that J-Lo and Shakira were not 'family friendly' or appropriate because of their dancing. The Super Bowl was in Miami if memory serves... a hotbed of Latin American culture and music. It was appropriate and artistic. I fall back on my prior observation that the Super Bowl is never guaranteed or advertised to be 'family friendly', whatever one's personal metrics may be which define that. My point is that people seem to have no problem with cheerleaders and backup dancers at at football game, but put a powerful female dancing and singing and showing some flesh as part of a performance, and suddenly the pearl clutchers are lit up about what is and is not appropriate 'entertainment'.... while going out for wings with the family at Hooter's after the game.

The halftime show with Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, etc. a year or 2 ago was generally well-received.... is it because the major demographic in this country grew up with that music, and since Snoop Dogg is everyone's grandmothers' favorite former 'gangsta rap' superstar? I was a teenager in the 90s and it seemed like every rural white kid was listening to West Coast rap. So maybe that's 'comfortable' to the point that it doesn't offend people now.... like I remember it offending a lot of people then for various reasons.

No one is required to be moved by the halftime show. There was way more to it than just the 'diss track' portion. Is Lamar's style of lyric delivery and showmanship everyone's cup of tea? No. One can certainly not like it for that reason alone. But there's more layers to that onion. That's as far as I'm going with this before it treads into forbidden territory on TB.

 

[JazznFunk]

While many of the members of the Grambling State marching band are male, I suspect very few of them are white...

And yet I wasn't talking about that part of your post.

 

[Thumper]

I don't want messages for entertainment, unless the music is good.

 

[TheArchitect]

It's interesting that you say that.... Since that general aesthetic has been featured before with little opposition, it speaks volumes as to what the 'family friendly entertainment at the Super Bowl' crowd accepts as 'entertainment.' White male entertainers and scantily dressed female accompaniment in a culturally and nationally accepted and approved display of 'American culture', thumbs up. Something that isn't that.... 'I hated it.'

You know there are many reason people don't like things. Thank heavens we have people like yourself to remind us we are racists if we don't like it. Its clearly impossible that anyone could decide the artists just ain't all that for any reason other than that

 

[JazznFunk]

You know there are many reason people don't like things. Thank heavens we have people like to to make sure we blame it on race. God forbid we decide for ourselves what we like.

It was an observation of what has historically been the 'accepted' and least-criticized forms of 'entertainment' in the context of the Super Bowl, and the hypocrisy of what is often 'accepted' in one context, when the same thing in another context is 'offensive'. Sometimes that is and is not about race (and I see you changed your original post wording after the fact - the original is quoted above in my message). It's not up to me to decide that, nor am I saying that is the sole reason behind some peoples' objections.... but there is evidence to suggest it might be, sometimes, especially when it makes people think, and uncomfortable in having done so. Layers. There are always layers. Maybe that's why people are so upset. They don't want to be prompted to think while watching the Super Bowl. I get that.... but don't come after the performer when they were asked to be there in the first place.

 

[nutdog]

If you look at the halftime shows which generally garner the most vocal opposition, particularly from the 'old guard' of NFL fans, it's for 2 reasons: it's 'offensive' to them because of the amount of female flesh being displayed - especially if it's a female performer as the headliner - or they simply don't understand the music they're hearing - either by choice or by genuine unfamiliarity. The hope is that someone says 'hey, that was cool.... maybe I'll check out more of it.' Rarely is that the case. Usually, the knee jerk is to criticism.

Prince was that rare combo of artistry and a show that seemed to transcend everything else. It was indeed masterful. It was also a very, very different time in this country and world. I don't think we'll ever forget that one.

I remember the people who thought that J-Lo and Shakira were not 'family friendly' or appropriate because of their dancing. The Super Bowl was in Miami if memory serves... a hotbed of Latin American culture and music. It was appropriate and artistic. I fall back on my prior observation that the Super Bowl is never guaranteed or advertised to be 'family friendly', whatever one's personal metrics may be which define that. My point is that people seem to have no problem with cheerleaders and backup dancers at at football game, but put a powerful female dancing and singing and showing some flesh as part of a performance, and suddenly the pearl clutchers are lit up about what is and is not appropriate 'entertainment'.... while going out for wings with the family at Hooter's after the game.

The halftime show with Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, etc. a year or 2 ago was generally well-received.... is it because the major demographic in this country grew up with that music, and since Snoop Dogg is everyone's grandmothers' favorite former 'gangsta rap' superstar? I was a teenager in the 90s and it seemed like every rural white kid was listening to West Coast rap. So maybe that's 'comfortable' to the point that it doesn't offend people now.... like I remember it offending a lot of people then for various reasons.

No one is required to be moved by the halftime show. There was way more to it than just the 'diss track' portion. Is Lamar's style of lyric delivery and showmanship everyone's cup of tea? No. One can certainly not like it for that reason alone. But there's more layers to that onion. That's as far as I'm going with this before it treads into forbidden territory on TB.

I'm not going to try to analyze all the past criticism but if you look at this thread the only person mentioning "family friendly" was you. Most complaints were about not being able to hear the lyrics. And a bunch of people liked it. Somebody brought up "white conservative dudes" out of the blue 7 posts in. Seemed like you just took the opportunity to jump on the soap box with a bunch of straw man generalizations.

 

[JazznFunk]

I'm not going to try to analyze all the past criticism but if you look at this thread the only person mentioning "family friendly" was you. Most complaints were about not being able to hear the lyrics. And a bunch of people liked it. Somebody brought up "white conservative dudes" out of the blue 7 posts in. Seemed like you just took the opportunity to jump on the soap box with a bunch of straw man generalizations.

I brought up 'family friendly' because that phrase often comes up in criticism of Super Bowl acts and whether they are 'appropriate' in the eyes of X audience vs Y audience. I didn't take any opportunity to jump on any soapbox - I've seen 'family friendly' used as a blanket term for deciding what is and isn't appropriate on the Super Bowl stage before, and sometimes it doesn't even have to do with music. I stand by my assertion that in no way shape or form is the Super Bowl ever guaranteed to be a 'family friendly' event or production. I remember when the 'wardrobe malfunction' with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake had pearl clutchers convinced the world was ending.

 

[nutdog]

I brought up 'family friendly' because that phrase often comes up in criticism of Super Bowl acts and whether they are 'appropriate' in the eyes of X audience vs Y audience. I didn't take any opportunity to jump on any soapbox - I've seen 'family friendly' used as a blanket term for deciding what is and isn't appropriate on the Super Bowl stage before, and sometimes it doesn't even have to do with music. I stand by my assertion that in no way shape or form is the Super Bowl ever guaranteed to be a 'family friendly' event or production. I remember when the 'wardrobe malfunction' with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake had pearl clutchers convinced the world was ending.

OK, well thanks for the PSA against the argument nobody was making.

 

[JazznFunk]

OK, well thanks for the PSA against the argument nobody was making.

It wasn't an argument. It was a pertinent observation based on past discussions on this same topic that I've had. Now, it's out there for you and everyone else to consider as well. That's how discussions work. As far as this one goes, I'm done with it.

 

[nutdog]

It wasn't an argument. It was a pertinent observation based on past discussions on this same topic that I've had. Now, it's out there for you and everyone else to consider as well. That's how discussions work. As far as this one goes, I'm done with it.

If any pearl clutchers drop by I'm sure they'll benefit from your observations and the lesson on discussions. Sorry for mistaking it for a soapbox.

 

[FilterFunk]

I didn't understand whatever message Kendrick Lamar was trying to convey. The feud between him and Drake is totally irrelevant to most people. And I couldn't understand a single word Kendrick Lamar was trying to say. It sounded like chatter over this loud hip hop backing track.

Samuel L. Jackson as Uncle Sam was really weird! I was wondering why he was even there.

TLDR - The Super Bowl 59 Halftime Show was terrible.

I guess you had to be hip to get the whole Samuel L. thing, too!

Artists like Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye were able to deliver clear messages that anyone could understand. IMO, it's not much of a message if most people don't get it.

Now THIS is how you deliver a hip-hop message - it's even called "The Message" - and you can understand every word:


If I sound like an old man, well...it's because I'm old!

 

[turf3]

As Zappa once said about country music, "Lyrics about sex, drugs, crime, and the devil, delivered in such a way that you can understand EVERY WORD."