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Keyboards in Cover Bands - How do you do things?

I love it. My lead singer also does keys. This opens up a bunch of tunes that other bands can’t even attempt well.

Bingo... we cover Pink Floyd's 'Money', as an example.

We sample the cash register intro... our keyboardist found the correct patches to authenticate playing the song, even the sax solo... sounds awesome, too!

I wouldn't trade him for the world. Any of our band members, for that matter.
 
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One of the guitarists on my band doubles on keyboards. Our repertoire has changed direction into more party music the last couple of years or so and it's got the point that he's no playing keyboard on about half a standard pub or wedding set. (the biker bars are still more rock orientated, but still have a few keyboard songs).

In the event that the other guitarist can't make a gig, we'll rearrange the set so that the keyboard isn't required and he can stick to playing guitar all night. He also has recently purchased a boss synth pedal that covers a few things, and we have a large Alesis sample pad with several key sounds, chords, pads etc loaded so we don't have to completely eschew all of the keyboard songs.

If we ever get to the point where the second guitarists decides to quit (he's older than the rest of us and moved a couple of hours drive away a couple of years ago, so it could happen), then we'll likely advertise for a keyboard player, and the lone guitarist can concentrate on doing what he does best, playing guitar (by his own admission, he's not the best keyboard player in the band, but he's better than he thinks he is - besides, it's more efficient for him to switch to keyboards than me or the drummer!)

Adding keys to song that don't originally have them doesn't bother my, as long as it's done tastefully. We are a cover band after all, not a jukebox!

My only irritation with keyboards in bands is when they fill in with non-keyboard/synth sounds, such as a brass section, sax or flute. I'd much rather use a dirty hammond organ sound than add fake brass. Strings are okay, as I associate this with synth pads. My exception to this is of the original intentionally used fake, synth brass - such as sledgehammer or get the funk out. I know. I'm weird. It's just a personal feeling on fake brass.

But to be fair and honest, I don't care what the keyboard plays as long as it keeps people dancing. Fake brass or not!
 
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My cover band has keys. If a song we are covering doesn't have keys in it, he will set his instrument to do a close approximation of a guitar tone. For example, on Bryan Adams' "Run to You", he will do the intro guitar part so that our lone guitarist can play the lead line.

I know that on at least one song, he just doesn't play, but sings. On another song, he has come up with something to play that fits the song well.

The cover band I used to play in years ago did not have a keys player, and we did a couple of Pink Floyd tunes. We actually had a guy come up to us at a gig on a break and say, "I would have sworn it was impossible to do Pink Floyd without a keyboardist, but you guys TOTALLY pulled it off and sounded incredible!"

I think it just all depends on how you try and work things. <shrug>
 
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1. Pick your songs to fit your band, both vocal and instrument wise.

2. Get creative. I was in a band that did Don't Stop Believing without a keyboard. One guitar played the keyboard right hand, the other the guitar part.

3. Effects. Some great pedals that can cover organ and synth sounds.

I like number one the best. There certainly enough songs to chose from that don’t have Keyboards. Of course. There are genres where it’s pretty hard to execute without one.
 
Just thought various people's thoughts and approaches to the topic might be interesting to discuss some.

I've noticed that cover bands can take different approaches to keyboards. I think that generally, for the weekender level, keys can be one the more difficult spots to fill but also end up being a spot that the right group can do very well without.

One route is to simply not have or seek to have keyboards and then do some combination of arranging songs to try to cover for lack of keyboards and/or limiting song selections based on instrumentation. If the subject comes up from time to time, arguments against adding keys often involve fewer moving parts meaning less effort for keeping a nice, tight and clean result and fewer mouths to feed means more in each pocket...both valid enough. I've happily played without keyboards.

Another is to have a keyboard player who can also play guitar and possibly other instruments (sax, violin...). I'm currently in a band with type of arrangement. For this band specifically, problems can come from the fact that he's not really a keyboard player who can also play guitar, he's more a guitar player who took piano lessons growing up and has enough connection to the the instrument to help out some. So, it takes care of the arguments above, but depending on the person, can mean some compromises and having the capability but at a lower level than other parts of the group.

And then there's having a dedicated keyboard player, which is the situation in another band. Assuming the skill is there, it's great in doing away with song limitations and arranging for switches. My problem here is that, in my experience, with a lot of rock tunes, this has led to there being keyboards in songs that don't have them in their original versions. A while back, I played with a guy who was real good about this...he had a good attitude about serving the song, so he'd hang back, drop out, do hand percussion when it was called for, and he had a decent overdriven guitar patch where he could throw out some chords to fill-in without being overbearing. That was nice. At the level many people are operating, a big part of playing music is for enjoyment, and sitting out a lot wouldn't be so much fun. But I have to say the result of hearing keyboards in covers where they don't belong bugs the crap out of me (doesn't seem to bother anyone else I play with to anywhere near the same degree). Currently, where that's the case, I'm not in a position to do anything about it except sulk.

So, I've experienced and seen the positives in each type of situation as well as the difficulties and frustrations that can come from each.

Just about every band I’ve played with since 1974 has had a keyboardist. I agree it’s a tough to find one that fits in, and knows when and what to play. And frankly, as a bassist it does take work and attention to what the keyboardist is doing to make it tight. The best ones are fundamentally sound with chord changes. Timing and proper inversions are key with both keyboardist and bassist alike.

One thing about players that have to sit out certain pieces. There is no shame when the Bassoon player has to sit out a piece or two at the symphony.
 
In the last situation you should just be a little more zen about it. The guy/gal doesn't want to just stand there...

Yep, like I said, I recognize that on the weekender level, everyone is entitled to want to get enjoyment out of doing this. I also recognize that part of this issue is my own sensibilities, as no one else I'm playing with seems to have a problem with it.

That it bugs me and all that I have the power to do is feel irked is one of the things I bring up in the "safe bass space"...it doesn't mean that this is an overwhelming problem; it's not.
 
...I would usually switch to a crunchy organ patch and play some "rhythm guitar" way down in the mix. Usually just power chords following basic guitar rhythm to fill things out a little more, and back enough in the mix to not really stand out in any way...

And I think this is a great approach...it fits with my sensibilities and I've played with at least one keyboard player who did the same thing. Awesome!

Some examples of things I don't like (and again, I'm just bitching to bitch) are actually two AC/DC songs, Honky Tonk Women and All Right Now. I'd have to listen to recordings to see what kind of patches are being used, but in all of those songs at parts where there is just (iconic) guitar and drums, just don't play! I'm not playing during those parts because there's no bass. I don't know where the idea that there should be keyboards added comes from...like The Jack meets The Entertainer...
 
In most bands I haven't had one, and it's affected approach in different ways...

Sounds like your experiences have run the gamut and been thoughtfully approached. Interesting input.

Personally, I've just never been in a band situation where tracks or samples were used that weren't something that the keyboard player was running.

I had to dig back kind of far to find an example from my bands, but I couldn't remember what Don't Stop Believing sounds like without keyboards, so I pulled up a recording last night with a 3-piece band to refresh my memory...in a bar context, it's fine. Would that one song have been better with keys? Sure. Was it a difference that made the difference? Not at all, people like the song more than they like or need to have every element of the original recording included...some things can be left out and not really be missed.
 
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But I have to say the result of hearing keyboards in covers where they don't belong bugs the crap out of me (doesn't seem to bother anyone else I play with to anywhere near the same degree).

As an audience member, this also annoys me. I don't know what it is about it, but throwing keyboards into a rock song that don't have keyboards just makes it sound... cheap? muzak-y? I dunno...

Seems like logistics or "product design" issue. If the product is a cover band that is doing accurate covers of songs, either decide on a setlist with mostly songs that include keyboard and have a keyboardist, or pick songs that mostly don't need a keyboardist and don't have a keyboard. Or pick a setlist with an arbitrary amount of keyboard songs, and then when you hire a keyboard player, be upfront about their limited roll, and how they just need to be on stage for the required songs, that way they could join or not join based on all the info.

Likewise, if it's a cover band, but you're going to do the covers different from the originals because of the instrumentation, change all the tunes up just enough to make them same-same-but-different for consistency.

And if you have a mix of keyboard and non-keyboard songs, you could also pick some songs that don't have other instruments and have other musicians sit out certain tracks. That way it's not only the keyboard player sitting out. Pick a few keyboard focused songs with no guitar or only one guitar part, or no bass or no drums. Everyone gets a chance to graciously bow out of a tune or two.

But, at the end of the day, if the audience likes it, {shrugs} whatevs.
I do wish i could put my finger on why keyboards on a non-keyboard song rubs the wrong way so much.
 
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...add parts that are tasteful and fitting for the song or style

But a problem there comes from the fact that we all won't necessarily agree on what's tasteful and fitting.

I gave some more examples above, but do you believe that there's a way that the verses of All Right Now can be enhanced by having keyboards added? I don't deny that it's possible, but what I've heard offends my ear.

Overall, I absolutely prefer and enjoy having keyboards, there are just some aspects that can come with it that I don't like.
 
The perfect solution is to have a band member who can play keys and rhythm guitar, whichever the song needs. Extra credit if that person can sing backup.

People like that, however, are usually very deliberate musicians, hard to find, and easily employed by the elite bands in a given scene.

So if your kids want to play in bands, tell them to develop these skills.
 

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