Anyone played along with a drum machine or loop through their bass rig? Did it catch fire?
Mine didn't.
Mine didn't.
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s0c9
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@Brad Johnson, my recording studio guy, puts the drummer in his own isolation room (I wonder if it should be padded), to minimize bleed through. The kick with typical frequencies in the plus 125Hz range, affect the bass mids, the sweet spot of most basses. I haven't done a spectral analysis of the bass and the kick, but the kick with its sharp peak will over whelm those 2nd and 3rd harmonics found. IMO, the wattage for bass is to increase the volume of the fundamentals.The idea that the kick WILL drown out the bass is silly. Almost as silly as a soundperson unfamiliar with gains.
I'm beginning to think there's a whole world of people who only have on-off switches.
Now who is going to pay for an additional mixer, the microphone and extra cables, the bass is typically unbalanced, the mike on the drums is balanced. (okay a reverse DI works). Most bass amps I see now have only one input, hence to need for the mixer. The drummer probably has a minimum of 2K in his kit, the bass, 1.5K unless he buys second hand, takes gifts, and/or dumpster dives, like me.
To avoid a reverse DI, maybe the mike is plugged in using an xlr to 1/4 mono plug. the lit, that came with my shure 58, states a 6db loss. And I wouldn't put a shure 58 on a kick. there are better mikes suited for the task.
Then, since it's the bassist's amp, the drummer won't be happy when the bassist turns down his signal.
I have been on record, quoting that some locations do not allow bass or drums on their PA, or FOH.
The second best (?) solution is a second amp dedicated to the drums. (add another K and one more trip to the drummer.
The best solution is to put through the guitar amps. better frequency match, and I'll bet it would have a better sound.
Before I respond, let's get this clear... this is the only way things can work?
s0c9
Supporting Member
My studio guy set up and paid for his studio, so he sets the rules. other studios may have different policies.
Regarding the consequences of putting the kick through the bass amp, its only one scenario,
Your opinion is as valid as mine, in your band definitely superior. (my opinion shouldn't matter)
Maybe, your equipment is different from mine.
One of my bands, Freddy and Hipbreakers, runs a six channel mixer to two cabs. This mixer and cabs are owned by the county. The main mixer is basic, providing reverb, and individual tone adjustments. The BL provides an additional 8 channel mixer for convenience. Keyboard provides his equipment, but the band wants him on the main mixer. (he is not too happy). One guitarist prefers to be unplugged, but he will tie his guitar and mike into the main mixer.
Me, I run my bass through a R40, and LO (di) into the mixer. my R40 is used as a monitor. If I decide to mike my voice, then I will supply my own mixer. We give the BL, also my recording studio dude control on the main mixer as well as his mixer.
Most other members of the band (they tend to be seasonal) have their own amps and other equipment. But tying into the main mixer, is the policy of the band.
Where we play we don't need to mike the drums, small venue about room for 40 50 people. If we ever mike the drum, then the BL will make the call. As far as I am concerned, whether the BL is right or wrong. He is right until we discuss it in private, assuming that we do not come to agreement, he will still be right in public.
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Then why do people make suggestions like buy something? if money was no object I doubt that this option would even be broached.
Studio and live are two different things. Relevance?
And in a studio the need to send a kick to a bass amp... not exactly on topic.
So the idea that a studio engineer thinks that a kick will automatically drown out the bass makes no sense. Because someone controls all of that. It's not a valid opinion. No matter where the levels are set, something will always be louder than another thing? That falls right in with a kick is louder than a bass guitar.
Unless of course gains are locked and controls cannot be adjusted.
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s0c9
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Different perspectives I guess ? <shrug>Then why do people make suggestions like buy something? if money was no object I doubt that this option would even be broached.
Steak isn't always an option. I think weiner is a good upgrade on the cup of sick that was the soundguy's idea.LOL - it would def be a frankenweenie approach, but might work. I try to avoid doing anything with powered mixers due to their routing limitations, tho I do run across them occasionally.
It should work (in theory) but not sure how well it would in practice. My concern is around using [just] channel EQ as a impromptu crossover - and hoping no-one moves the monitor send knob for that channel off zero
I figured either active sub sends back highs or a crossover employed with a cheap power amp and passive sub.
In case OP didn't catch on, in the Frankenrig scheme there is the possibility to cause a deadly feedback loop with the high channel coming back if any of it is resent down the monitor bus.
s0c9
Supporting Member
If most of these statements were tempered with "most" instead of "all" it'd be a different conversation.
I don't know who "most" people are who buy once cry once works for... especially if you don't have the means to buy at that level in the first place.
My gear has changed or been added to many times over the years. I don't think I know anyone who bought once. Nice saying but...
I agree, but since my recording studio guy and my BL are the same person, what he says carry's the most weight. He also has creditably. That is my choice. (I would rate the recording studio, as low commercial, but vastly superior to most home studios. )
to me, studio recording is superior to live recordings. Unless PBS is doing the live recording and presenting the music during pledge drives.
I also find that studio is more restrictive, because the quality of equipment picks up every little sound. Studio has more control. (as part of disclosure, I have a strong engineering and science background.)
Look real live music has its place, but like most people, my exposure to music is to that which is recorded. Therefore, I have a choice. As you know live music usually has a cost associated with it. cover charge, ticket prices, parking?, sometimes booze and food tabs.
I find most live music has problems. Its too loud to talk to the people I am with. One or more instruments is too loud. the drummer needs to tone down. I can't hear the acoustic bass.
I listen to a local FM radio station KANW (PBS affiliated), whose niche is local New Mexico music. A lot of the recording is inferior, singers off key. Some the recordings are just terrible, others are great.
I also listen to a different FM station, KUNM, also PBS affiliated, that has good jazz, on Sunday mornings, "Train to Glory", a three hour broadcast, locally produced, that plays gospel music. It is a nationally syndicated program. A lot of that music is IMO poorly recorded, again, voices off key, poor instrument tracks. There is enough good music that the program is worth it.
I listen to these stations, because commercial stations just have too many commercials.
Actually, there is one choice guaranteed to work - get off your lazy keister and get a job; if you are already working, get a second job. It's so sad that people don't even consider working to get something they want as an option.
Now get of my lawn and get to work!
Actually, there is one choice guaranteed to work - get off your lazy keister and get a job; if you are already working, get a second job. It's so sad that people don't even consider working to get something they want as an option.
Now get of my lawn and get to work!
Not sure if you're serious. It was funny.
When I was in Florida, landscape work was profitable. so "Get off the couch, and go mow some lawns." Heck I paid a neighbor kids $15 a shot to edge my lawn, on a corner lot. He would use his dads equipment after hours..... It's so sad that people don't even consider working to get something they want as an option.
Now get of my lawn and get to work!
Pool cleaning also paid a lot of bills.
Locally, some of my friends custom bail alfalfa, one guy put his kids through college and private high school, and he had four or five kids.
