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Kicker speaker of bass cab?

flameworker

flameworker

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#1
I was given a brand new Kicker 15.
Would it be suitable to put in a cabinet? I would use it with a 2 10.

4 ohm,.300 watts, i think
Here are the specs

http://www.kicker.com/comp

My JBL ate itself, important, too Low powered amps are as bad for speakers as too high. Maybe moreso, the distortion somehow melts down the coil...I dont know how it works. Is this even the right place to post this?

While I'm at at how are celestion 12 speakers for bass, These ones are in a Twin reverb that is missing the ampop part, i love bass thru 12" in a properly ported cabinet tho, not a backless guitar cabinet.
 
#3
thats what I thought But it was free. It looked expensive and feels heavy. I want one of those JBL professional speakers the 1000$+ ones. dream. I miss Bag End. I want 2 12" cabinets, nice and light deep and punchy and able to use in stereo, and a proper folded horn sub to go with them. I used to have nice EARTH 10" monitor I would run a cable and put it next to the drummer, really helped us lock in while keeping my stage volume low, I had a spiffy little 8 channel mixer that we used to use for our monitor mix. Gone.

If you want to seem professional, use a low stage volume. But you still have to be heard and felt.
 
#5
Model C15

Size (IN.,CM) 15, 38.0
Impedance (OHMS) 4
Max Rec Amplifier Power (WATTS PEAK/RMS)* 500/250
Sensitivity (dB 1w/1m) 90.3
Frequency Response (Hz) 25-500
Mounting Depth (IN.,CM) 7 7/16, 18.9
Mounting Cutout (IN.,CM) 13 11/16, 34.7
Min Rec Sealed Box Volume (CU. FT., Liters) 2.25, 63.7
Max Rec Sealed Box Volume (CU. FT., Liters) 5.0, 141.6
Min Rec Vented Box Volume (CU. Ft., Liters)** 3.0, 85
Max Rec Vented Box Volume (CU. Ft., Liters)** 4.0, 113.3
 
#6
I'm kicking myself , I had 2 huge Cerwin Vega cabinets with the same 18's that are in Acoustic 360's, plus 2 12's and a horn. They were huge SVT stlye with 2 wheels on the back, but they were back breaking and I gave them away. I would re cab them now, turn one into a 361 sans tube amp, and put the 12's into ported cads. Oh well, I hope someone is using them. They needed at least 1000 watts anyway and i dont have that much power right now.
 
#7
flameworker said:
I was given a brand new Kicker 15.
Would it be suitable to put in a cabinet? I would use it with a 2 10.

4 ohm,.300 watts, i think
Here are the specs

http://www.kicker.com/comp

My JBL ate itself, important, too Low powered amps are as bad for speakers as too high. Maybe moreso, the distortion somehow melts down the coil...I dont know how it works. Is this even the right place to post this?

While I'm at at how are celestion 12 speakers for bass, These ones are in a Twin reverb that is missing the ampop part, i love bass thru 12" in a properly ported cabinet tho, not a backless guitar cabinet.
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That speaker would be horrible for bass. So would two 12" guitar speakers.

flameworker said:
Model C15

Size (IN.,CM) 15, 38.0
Impedance (OHMS) 4
Max Rec Amplifier Power (WATTS PEAK/RMS)* 500/250
Sensitivity (dB 1w/1m) 90.3
Frequency Response (Hz) 25-500
Mounting Depth (IN.,CM) 7 7/16, 18.9
Mounting Cutout (IN.,CM) 13 11/16, 34.7
Min Rec Sealed Box Volume (CU. FT., Liters) 2.25, 63.7
Max Rec Sealed Box Volume (CU. FT., Liters) 5.0, 141.6
Min Rec Vented Box Volume (CU. Ft., Liters)** 3.0, 85
Max Rec Vented Box Volume (CU. Ft., Liters)** 4.0, 113.3
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If those specs are accurate, it illustrates a speaker that will be neither loud, nor have enough response for a bass speaker.

flameworker said:
I'm kicking myself , I had 2 huge Cerwin Vega cabinets with the same 18's that are in Acoustic 360's, plus 2 12's and a horn. They were huge SVT stlye with 2 wheels on the back, but they were back breaking and I gave them away. I would re cab them now, turn one into a 361 sans tube amp, and put the 12's into ported cads. Oh well, I hope someone is using them. They needed at least 1000 watts anyway and i dont have that much power right now.
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The old Acoustic amps were not tube. Furthermore, speaker technology has come a long way in the past 40 years. You couldnt pay me to use/own old folded horn tech like that.
 
#10
Did not see any tubes in the last 361 I played. ;)

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#13
1. Put it in a car sub box.

2. Sell it for a good price.

3. Use the money to fund a real bass cab.


Though they push a lot of air, car subs are horribly inefficient for MI (Musical Instrument) use. They depend on the cabin gain (pushing a lot of air in a very small space, like a car interior) to achieve their output...an advantage you don't get anyplace you'd play a bass rig (unless you setup and play inside your car). :)

All that before considering they don't put out any worthwhile harmonic content (tone) either.
 
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#14
For your car sub (that you will sell to fund a bass cab), might I suggest an appropriate sealed box in the interest of quality of bass over quantity?

I did this for a friend for a 10" Kicker he had, the square cone model. Still plenty of bass extension for reggae, rap, etc., but the bass was tight, controlled, responsive. Didn't diminish the sense of pitch and musicality many of them do. It played notes, not just boom.

All that in a compact, well braced, ~1 cu.ft. or so MDF box for a 10. That 15 could probably achieve similar quality, with more output, in something in the neighborhood of 2 cu.ft. sealed and still not take up too much trunk space.

Guessing there, but you'll be in the ballpark and it'll be good.
 
#16
moody said:
It's a lot better than some of the others I've seen. At least it isn't claiming to really know what is being discussed.

No such thing as under-powering.
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OP admittedly said he didn't know, though I assume a google search with the terms JBL" and "underpowered" would lead one to that document, which has validity in the case of HF compression drivers, which a car sub most certainly is not. :)
 
#19
BassmanPaul said:
OH NO!!!! You didn't!! This statement is complete and utter rubbish. Do a search to save us having to go through the whole mess yet again! :(
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Now Paul, be nice! I had this very same argument with Duke, BFM (when he was still on this site), and it became rather heated and un-gentlemanly. Fourier analysis, etc. etc. I have discussed the issue with EEs from a locally based international research lab, and they feel that the device (low frequency driver) cannot perceive high frequency harmonics as such, but rather would react to the harmonics much like they straight DC....You may fire when ready, Gridley.
 
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