KKK license plate???

[Deleted member 92857]

I actually said find a post of blacks who were ok with Byrd's past. You showed nothing that showed approval of what he did as a segregationist. What you showed were politicians willing to work with someone who would help them.

Now THAT's putting lipstick on a pig!!

Weak cheese, very weak.

Let's say this: They gave him less flack (none, in fact) for being an Exalted Cyclops than you are giving people for a proposed license plate that has neither been approved nor issued.

that is different from saying that he was accepted by everyday black folks.

OF COURSE!!! These people weren't accepting of Byrd!! How stupid of me to read that into their statements praising him. Of course, Benjamin Jealous and Barack Obama aren't "everyday black folks", whatever that means.

Your spin ain't spinning.

Let's say this: They gave him less flack (none, in fact) for being an Exalted Cyclops than you are giving people for a proposed license plate that has neither been approved nor issued.

 

[Selta]

Wait!



I need more popcorn.

 

[Deleted member 92857]

As someone who grew up in SC, I knew many blacks who supported Strom Thurmond despite the fact he never renounced segregation because he was great at calling the VA or Social Security for any voter.

In another thread when I mentioned how stereotyped Alabama is, you said something to the effect of "my roots run deep in Alabama". Is there any place you're NOT from or DON'T have "deep roots" in?

Just sayin.....

 

[Dr. Cheese]

In another thread when I mentioned how stereotyped Alabama is, you said something to the effect of "my roots run deep in Alabama". Is there any place you're NOT from or DON'T have "deep roots" in?

Just sayin.....

Have you ever heard of moving? My family is from Alabama. I was born in Florida. I grew up in South Carolina. I went to college (undergrad) in Georgia. I know the Southeast pretty well. You can blame it on Uncle Sam since my father was in the military.

For what it's worth, I've lived in the Midwest and five other countries too.

Just sayin' everybody does not spend their whole life in one place.

 

[Deleted member 92857]

Have you ever heard of moving? My family is from Alabama. I was born in Florida. I grew up in South Carolina. I went to college (undergrad) in Georgia. I know the Southeast pretty well. You can blame it on Uncle Sam since my father was in the military.

Just sayin' everybody does not spend their whole life in one place.

No, never heard of moving. I'm from Alabama. What's the military?

Did you miss my post before that one? I'm still wondering about your working definition of "everyday black folks" I'm sure a lot of white folks would be verbally crucified if they used a term like that. I'd be uncomfortable using it myself.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

So supporting ( or honoring) a racist is OK as long as he can do something for you?

What's new about this? Politics has been about making alliances since way before any of us on this thread were ever thought of.

 

[Floyd Eye]

What's new about this? Politics has been about making alliances since way before any of us on this thread were ever thought of.

Are you a politician? Tell me why it's OK that Robert Byrd has federal buildings named after him, yet you are complaining about a couple of rednecks who may wind up with Nathan Bedford Forrest license plates.

Since Byrd brought home the bacon for his state he gets a pass for being a racist, bigoted *******?

 

[GregC]

And he voted against repealing the death tax, which makes it difficult for inner city residents, among others, to inherit family assets.

Did you copy all the stuff in italics from somewhere? In any case, it's so heavily spun that I'm sure not going to sort through it all. But this tidbit is particularly absurd. The estate tax (as it is rightly called) only affected estates with more than $675,000 in 2001 at the time the legislation that eventually became EGTRRA was introduced (and that figure was already increasing over time). How many "inner city residents" do you seriously think were affected by the estate tax at that time?

 

[Floyd Eye]

Did you copy all the stuff in italics from somewhere? In any case, it's so heavily spun that I'm sure not going to sort through it all. But this tidbit is particularly absurd. The estate tax (as it is rightly called) only affected estates with more than $675,000 in 2001 at the time the legislation that eventually became EGTRRA was introduced (and that figure was already increasing over time). How many "inner city residents" do you seriously think were affected by the estate tax at that time?

That is wrong.

"The Federal estate tax is imposed "on the transfer of the taxable estate of every decedent who is a citizen or resident of the United States."[2] The starting point in the calculation is the "gross estate. Certain deductions (subtractions) from the "gross estate" amount are allowed in arriving at a smaller amount called the "taxable estate."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_tax_in_the_United_States

 

[Deleted member 92857]

Did you copy all the stuff in italics from somewhere? In any case, it's so heavily spun that I'm sure not going to sort through it all. But this tidbit is particularly absurd. The estate tax (as it is rightly called) only affected estates with more than $675,000 in 2001 at the time the legislation that eventually became EGTRRA was introduced (and that figure was already increasing over time). How many "inner city residents" do you seriously think were affected by the estate tax at that time?

WELL!! Thank God you're not going to sort through it all!!! You just zeroed in on that part at first glance, right? If someone were whacking you with a Louisville Slugger (God forbid) you'd be studying the grain of the wood and not even notice you were getting pummeled I guess.

 

[GregC]

there is no proof he was ever a grandmaster or whatever it is).

it says he disassociated himself from the KKK when they started advocating violence.

It is important to note that the KKK at its inception was not the KKK of modern times. It was certainly a "good 'ol boys" club for ex-confederate officers. However, most hear that Forrest was an early member of the KKK and that's it. He probably wasn't the founder, no proof he was a grand wizard. And he walked away from it when he became radical.

Yes, there's no proof Forrest was a grand wizard. Now where's the proof that the KKK was more moderate at first? You guys aree willing to give Forrest the benefit of the doubt as to whether he was a grand wizard, yet you only pay attention to the first half of this paragraph:

According to Wills, in the August 1867 state elections the Klan was relatively restrained in its actions. White Americans who made up the KKK hoped to persuade black voters that a return to their state of repression and near-slavery, as it existed before the war, was in their best interest. Forrest assisted in maintaining order. It was only after these efforts failed that Klan violence and intimidation escalated and became widespread.[39] Author Andrew Ward, however, writes, “In the spring of 1867, Forrest and his dragons launched a campaign of midnight parades; ‘ghost’ masquerades; and ‘whipping’ and even ‘killing Negro voters and white Republicans, to scare blacks off voting and running for office.’”[40]

 

[sloasdaylight]

Good night, sweet thread.

 

[GregC]

Shirley Sherrod: Acts in a racist way, sees her error, apologizes and repents = Hero

Nathan Bedford Forrest joins the Klan, Klan goes bad, he quits, makes speeches promoting reconciliation of the races, including speeches to black audiences (make no mistake of the significance of this, he surely caught TONS of flack for this). And what do the re-writers of history say?

Nathan Bedford Forrest = Villain

Double standard. Hands down.

Shirley Sherrod admitted to thinking that white farmers needed no help. When she met poor white farmers, she helped them. How does that compare to Nathan Bedford
Forrest?

This trying to show equivalence where there is none.

Exactly. She never acted on her thoughts through speeches or deeds. The white farmer whom she was talking about immediately spoke up in her defense when the out-of-context quote was posted by that blogger, saying she went to great lengths to help him.

 

[GregC]

It's kinda sad that whenever any southerner wants to honor anyone that had anything at all to do with that period in history in the south, a bunch of people that have ZERO dog in the hunt come out of the woodwork with torches and pitchforks. Last I heard, the issue was settled in 1865. Y'all won. We get that. Don't you think it's about time you stopped grinding your holier than thou boot heel into the issue?

I'm from the South, and I sure would like to see a list of the folks who were going to be honored when the "torches and pitchforks" came out. Might be interesting.

 

[GregC]

Well, I'm from NJ and I fully agree with what you are saying.
It's funny how what we did in 1776 is highly celebrated while what the southern states did in 1861 is highly demonized, when in reality both situations have some remarkable similarities.

The problem is that things tend to get over-simplified ex- slavery was wrong, the southern states were slave states, therefore the southern states were automatically "evil". The reality is so far more complex than that that it's not even funny. There were slave states on the Northern side, there were staunch abolitionists on the southern side, there were black soldiers fighting on both sides.... as I said, it gets complicated to the point where it's easier just to adapt a clear cut "good guy vs bad guy' mindset and that's what most folks do nowadays.

I get what you're saying here, it is much more complex than "South bad, North good". Unfortunately, the flip side of this is that some Southerners use this point of view to attempt to whitewash (no pun intended) the South's history.

 

[GregC]

How many forums have you posted in flaming Byrd, or Jealous, or Obama for their blatant support of this former Exalted Cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan? Did you react as quickly when you discovered his past as you did to the proposed Mississippi License plate? If not, why not?

Byrd's past was public knowledge long before the Internet was created. But then again, so was Strom Thurmond's (which, again, he never repudiated). So you're forgiven if you haven't flamed Thurmond on multiple forums.

 

[Deleted member 92857]

Good night, sweet thread.

The wisest comment I've seen posted in this thread, including mine. Why I post in these type threads escapes me. I'm going to strive to avoid biting next time the (race) bait hits the water.

Good Night, not-so-sweet thread which was created to sow seeds of disharmony and was remarkably successful.

 

[GregC]

That is wrong.

"The Federal estate tax is imposed "on the transfer of the taxable estate of every decedent who is a citizen or resident of the United States."[2] The starting point in the calculation is the "gross estate. Certain deductions (subtractions) from the "gross estate" amount are allowed in arriving at a smaller amount called the "taxable estate."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_tax_in_the_United_States

You didn't read far enough.

There are several credits against the tentative tax, the most important of which is a "unified credit" which can be thought of as providing for an "exemption equivalent" or exempted value with respect to the sum of the taxable estate and the taxable gifts during lifetime.

The estate tax unified credit exclusion, which was $675,000 in 2001 but scheduled to increase by steps to $1,000,000 in 2006, was increased to $1,000,000 in 2002, $1,500,000 in 2004, $2,000,000 in 2006, and $3,500,000 in 2009, with repeal of the estate tax and generation-skipping tax scheduled for 2010.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom...liation_Act_of_2001#Estate_and_gift_tax_rules

WELL!! Thank God you're not going to sort through it all!!! You just zeroed in on that part at first glance, right? If someone were whacking you with a Louisville Slugger (God forbid) you'd be studying the grain of the wood and not even notice you were getting pummeled I guess.

Non-responsive.

ETA: Sorry for the string of posts, but I didn't have a chance to respond earlier, and as a Southerner (though I now live in Chicago), I feel strongly about this issue.

 

[Dr. Cheese]

Are you a politician? Tell me why it's OK that Robert Byrd has federal buildings named after him, yet you are complaining about a couple of rednecks who may wind up with Nathan Bedford Forrest license plates.

Since Byrd brought home the bacon for his state he gets a pass for being a racist, bigoted *******?

I did not start this thread. I gave my opinion, like you did. If it were up to me, I would not name anything after Robert Byrd because I really don't think he changed in his heart. Like most segregation era politicians (most of whom were Democrats in the South) he realized when the fight was lost, and he moved on. Those who were determined to keep fighting another day tended to leave the Democratic Party.

 

[MIJ-VI]

Every time I see the words 'Exalted Cyclops' I crack up.