KMA Tyler with Looper-Switcher

[Endever]

Hi,

this is my first post in this forum, so I try to add something instead of asking questions first ;-)... This is an idea I would like to share and that I did not find in the forum.
I am currently using the KMA Tyler with a compressor in the LP loop and two distortions in the HP loop and am considering to implement a switcher-looper to my rig. I came up with a setup, which should work and just wanted to share, maybe this is useful to someone ^_^...

The Tyler eats up 3 loops in total, but the flexibility of this should be amazing. Basically, when loop 1, 4 and 6 are active, everything between loop 1 and 4 is in the HP loop of the Tyler and everything between loop 4 and 6 is in the LP loop of the Tyler. With loop 2 and 3, FX1 and FX2 can be inserted in the HP loop and so on. Where this should get insane is if you use a looper-switcher with variable loop order. Moving loop 3 after loop 4 would put FX2 in the LP loop, for example.
Finally, loop 1 active and all other loops off would result in just the high pass filtered signal, loop 1 and loop 4 active and all other loops off would result in just the low pass filtered signal, so the Tyler can be used as a simple LP/HP filter.
What do you think?
Best wishes
Michael

 

[bholder]

Ya lost me, I don't know what I think. I could never run a rig that brainy...

 

[Endever]

I hear you... It is basically the 4-cable method... twice. Kinda.

 

[cheapbasslovin]

Is there a specific reason for doing this? It seems like the functionality is already in the Tyler, unless I'm missing something.

Edit: I'm dumb. You said in your post you want more pedals in the Tyler with individual control. That'll be sweet for that.

 

[Endever]

Yeah, for example, I use both the B7K and the Duality in the HP loop and would like to be able to switch them using presets. That is not possible by just putting them in the Tylers loops. For clean sounds, I also would prefer to have the compressor not just in the LP loop.

 

[cheapbasslovin]

Yeah, for example, I use both the B7K and the Duality in the HP loop and would like to be able to switch them using presets. That is not possible by just putting them in the Tylers loops. For clean sounds, I also would prefer to have the compressor not just in the LP loop.

Yeah, I edited my post because I can't read. It's a good plan.

 

[Mr. voodoobass]

Rereading and looking at the picture and i still don’t understand anything of it lol
Where do you connect the bass and where is output?
Where does the loop boxes connect in/out?

 

[Endever]

The numbered boxes are the loop connectors on a typical looper-switcher. Bass would go into the input on said looper-switcher (so before loop 1). Internally, any return is connected to the next send in the line (so R1 to S2 and so on).

 

[Derek Williams]

Hi,

this is my first post in this forum, so I try to add something instead of asking questions first ;-)... This is an idea I would like to share and that I did not find in the forum.
I am currently using the KMA Tyler with a compressor in the LP loop and two distortions in the HP loop and am considering to implement a switcher-looper to my rig. I came up with a setup, which should work and just wanted to share, maybe this is useful to someone ^_^...

View attachment 4531757
The Tyler eats up 3 loops in total, but the flexibility of this should be amazing. Basically, when loop 1, 4 and 6 are active, everything between loop 1 and 4 is in the HP loop of the Tyler and everything between loop 4 and 6 is in the LP loop of the Tyler. With loop 2 and 3, FX1 and FX2 can be inserted in the HP loop and so on. Where this should get insane is if you use a looper-switcher with variable loop order. Moving loop 3 after loop 4 would put FX2 in the LP loop, for example.
Finally, loop 1 active and all other loops off would result in just the high pass filtered signal, loop 1 and loop 4 active and all other loops off would result in just the low pass filtered signal, so the Tyler can be used as a simple LP/HP filter.
What do you think?
Best wishes
Michael

I have previously given this a try, but ended up finding that I always kept my compressor on my low loop always on, so was a waste. I ended up moving my ML5 loop switcher to the high loop.

 

[kevmac]

Hi,

this is my first post in this forum, so I try to add something instead of asking questions first ;-)... This is an idea I would like to share and that I did not find in the forum.
I am currently using the KMA Tyler with a compressor in the LP loop and two distortions in the HP loop and am considering to implement a switcher-looper to my rig. I came up with a setup, which should work and just wanted to share, maybe this is useful to someone ^_^...

View attachment 4531757
The Tyler eats up 3 loops in total, but the flexibility of this should be amazing. Basically, when loop 1, 4 and 6 are active, everything between loop 1 and 4 is in the HP loop of the Tyler and everything between loop 4 and 6 is in the LP loop of the Tyler. With loop 2 and 3, FX1 and FX2 can be inserted in the HP loop and so on. Where this should get insane is if you use a looper-switcher with variable loop order. Moving loop 3 after loop 4 would put FX2 in the LP loop, for example.
Finally, loop 1 active and all other loops off would result in just the high pass filtered signal, loop 1 and loop 4 active and all other loops off would result in just the low pass filtered signal, so the Tyler can be used as a simple LP/HP filter.
What do you think?
Best wishes
Michael

I think you could be someone to help me routing my Tyler. I've had it for a short time now and it is an interesting addition to my FX to say the least.Being the techno-boob I am I've become confused as to how I'd go about running it through my amps FX loop. Unless I'm mistaken, won't the send from the amps FX loop's go to the Tyler input? If so then where does what comes out the opposite side go to? I look at your set up and figure if you can do something like then what I'm trying should be childs play.Problem being I can never find a child when needed.

 

[Endever]

I don't fully understand, what you want to do, but I will give it a try . If you just want the Tyler in der FX loop of the amp, it helps to think of the Tyler as any other pedal and ignore the Tyler's loops for a moment. Then: Amp FX Send -> Tyler In -> Tyler Out -> Amp FX Return... Then you put whatever you want into the Tyler's loops.
If you want the Pre-Amp of your Amp to be in on of the Tyler's loops (maybe you want dirt on the high frequencies, but a DI like signal for the lows), then you would do something like the 4-cable method: Bass -> Tyler In -> Tyler High Send -> Amp In -> Amp FX Send -> Tyler High Return -> Tyler Out -> Amp FX Return... You can then put either a compressor in the Tyler's Low Loop or just put a patch cable between Low Send and Low Return for a clean low end signal.
There are other options, but it would help me, if you would explain, what kind of effect you are going for.

 

[crguti]

Yeah, for example, I use both the B7K and the Duality in the HP loop and would like to be able to switch them using presets. That is not possible by just putting them in the Tylers loops. For clean sounds, I also would prefer to have the compressor not just in the LP loop.

Both the B7K and Duality have blend control so why the need of using them in a HPF loop? It seems over complicated and when you play live you would wish your gear is as easy as possible in case of a problem.

 

[Derek Williams]

Both the B7K and Duality have blend control so why the need of using them in a HPF loop? It seems over complicated and when you play live you would wish your gear is as easy as possible in case of a problem.

Blend is not the same as a crossover.

 

[Finger Blister]

How I use it.
Straight in.
Compression before KMA TD.
OD/DIST/Fuzz - LP
Mod/Time FX - HP
Add Clean to 50% Uneffected.

 

[Endever]

Both the B7K and Duality have blend control so why the need of using them in a HPF loop? It seems over complicated and when you play live you would wish your gear is as easy as possible in case of a problem.

I do have a small board with Lucydriver and Red Muck, both with blend, which works fine . But have an undistorted low end sounds different. If you want it simple, you could use the Darkglass Microtubes X, which does the same thing as the Tyler in one box. But then you need to like the Darkglass sound ^_^...

 

[Endever]

How I use it.
Straight in.
Compression before KMA TD.
OD/DIST/Fuzz - LP
Mod/Time FX - HP
Add Clean to 50% Uneffected.

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I need to give this a try, so far I always put the dirt in the HP ... but this sounds nice.

 

[kevmac]

I don't fully understand, what you want to do, but I will give it a try . If you just want the Tyler in der FX loop of the amp, it helps to think of the Tyler as any other pedal and ignore the Tyler's loops for a moment. Then: Amp FX Send -> Tyler In -> Tyler Out -> Amp FX Return... Then you put whatever you want into the Tyler's loops.
If you want the Pre-Amp of your Amp to be in on of the Tyler's loops (maybe you want dirt on the high frequencies, but a DI like signal for the lows), then you would do something like the 4-cable method: Bass -> Tyler In -> Tyler High Send -> Amp In -> Amp FX Send -> Tyler High Return -> Tyler Out -> Amp FX Return... You can then put either a compressor in the Tyler's Low Loop or just put a patch cable between Low Send and Low Return for a clean low end signal.
There are other options, but it would help me, if you would explain, what kind of effect you are going for.

Thank you bro'. You're a wealth of information.I'm still unsure about what I want to do but as I noted my tech skills suck.Still I'm amazed with the Tyler and can only imagine what I could have done with it in my gigging heyday.I'm a geezer now and it's hard finding players as most of my contemporaries have moved on or sadly passed.So much for those "Golden Years" I have always heard of.So I have to find ways to keep playing interesting because my love of music and all things bass remains. I hope I can hit you up if I think of things to do with Tyler.Have fun!

 

[RobbieBobbie]

Hi,

this is my first post in this forum, so I try to add something instead of asking questions first ;-)... This is an idea I would like to share and that I did not find in the forum.
I am currently using the KMA Tyler with a compressor in the LP loop and two distortions in the HP loop and am considering to implement a switcher-looper to my rig. I came up with a setup, which should work and just wanted to share, maybe this is useful to someone ^_^...

View attachment 4531757
The Tyler eats up 3 loops in total, but the flexibility of this should be amazing. Basically, when loop 1, 4 and 6 are active, everything between loop 1 and 4 is in the HP loop of the Tyler and everything between loop 4 and 6 is in the LP loop of the Tyler. With loop 2 and 3, FX1 and FX2 can be inserted in the HP loop and so on. Where this should get insane is if you use a looper-switcher with variable loop order. Moving loop 3 after loop 4 would put FX2 in the LP loop, for example.
Finally, loop 1 active and all other loops off would result in just the high pass filtered signal, loop 1 and loop 4 active and all other loops off would result in just the low pass filtered signal, so the Tyler can be used as a simple LP/HP filter.
What do you think?
Best wishes
Michael

Just got a KMA TD and loving it so far. Did this setup end up working out?

 

[Endever]

Hi,

actually yes, I finally finished the board over the Christmas holidays with custom soldered cables . Works flawlessly. Tyler is in Loop 10-12 of the MK-VI (which allows me to reorder the loops, Tyler is mounted below the board). So, to use it, I just move effects for the LP-Loop between 10 and 11 and effects for the HP-Loop between 11 and 12... Quite intuitive and easy to setup and fully MIDI recallable. I can recommend it.

Best wishes
Michael

 

[kevmac]

Hi,

this is my first post in this forum, so I try to add something instead of asking questions first ;-)... This is an idea I would like to share and that I did not find in the forum.
I am currently using the KMA Tyler with a compressor in the LP loop and two distortions in the HP loop and am considering to implement a switcher-looper to my rig. I came up with a setup, which should work and just wanted to share, maybe this is useful to someone ^_^...

View attachment 4531757
The Tyler eats up 3 loops in total, but the flexibility of this should be amazing. Basically, when loop 1, 4 and 6 are active, everything between loop 1 and 4 is in the HP loop of the Tyler and everything between loop 4 and 6 is in the LP loop of the Tyler. With loop 2 and 3, FX1 and FX2 can be inserted in the HP loop and so on. Where this should get insane is if you use a looper-switcher with variable loop order. Moving loop 3 after loop 4 would put FX2 in the LP loop, for example.
Finally, loop 1 active and all other loops off would result in just the high pass filtered signal, loop 1 and loop 4 active and all other loops off would result in just the low pass filtered signal, so the Tyler can be used as a simple LP/HP filter.
What do you think?
Best wishes
Michael

As I posted previously you've really thought this out.I have some questions as I'm trying to further explore my Tyler Deluxe.First the blocks representing "looper switchers", are you actually using these and do you have examples of types available? This seems it could get pretty expensive. Secondly,can you advise a way to hook up two amps for a Royal Blood type set up? Would the loop-switcher in the screenshot be suitable?