KMA Tyler with Looper-Switcher

[Endever]

Hi kevmac,
yes, I am actually using a looper switcher, specifically the EFX MK-VI from Musicom Lab (the unit is pricy, but for the feature set, I would say, it is unrivaled in terms of bang for your buck). As I said, my goal was to be very flexibel and the MK-VI with the ability to reorder its loops gives me that. But it is also a bit overkill, but I was curious if the setup would work (which is does beautifully)
Regarding Royal Blood type setup: I think, a lot of their sound comes from splitting the signal into two paths and using different effects on both paths. This you could achieve nicely with something like the BOSS-LS2 (not expensive and awesome tool).
Or if you want to split into three paths, something like the Musicom Lab Parallelizer or the EHX Tri Parallel Mixer. However, those units are designed to mix the split signals back together, where as Royal Blood goes to different amps with the split signal paths.
The EFX MK-VI could do this as well, as you can split your signal in the unit and run two paths in parallel (and then have different FX in each path for each preset) and then send out both signals out individually. Depends on how complicated or simple you want your setup ;-)...

 

[kevmac]

Hi kevmac,
yes, I am actually using a looper switcher, specifically the EFX MK-VI from Musicom Lab (the unit is pricy, but for the feature set, I would say, it is unrivaled in terms of bang for your buck). As I said, my goal was to be very flexibel and the MK-VI with the ability to reorder its loops gives me that. But it is also a bit overkill, but I was curious if the setup would work (which is does beautifully)
Regarding Royal Blood type setup: I think, a lot of their sound comes from splitting the signal into two paths and using different effects on both paths. This you could achieve nicely with something like the BOSS-LS2 (not expensive and awesome tool).
Or if you want to split into three paths, something like the Musicom Lab Parallelizer or the EHX Tri Parallel Mixer. However, those units are designed to mix the split signals back together, where as Royal Blood goes to different amps with the split signal paths.
The EFX MK-VI could do this as well, as you can split your signal in the unit and run two paths in parallel (and then have different FX in each path for each preset) and then send out both signals out individually. Depends on how complicated or simple you want your setup ;-)...

Thanks for your reply. I have the Tyler Deluxe and being an analog man trapped in the digital world I get easily confused which I'm sure a handy guy such as yourself might find odd. I know I should be able to use more than one effect into each path of the Tyler, but inevitably I mix things up and get frustrated.I know I need to keep my sends and returns in sequence.And looking at your diagram put the looper switch as a possibility,but really I probably need to be more patient. My latest query is to find a solution to this possible set up. I have a JPB Double 4 amp that lacks a line in for a JPB P-100 powered speaker,that has both lines in and out. The only way I can link both is to use a M- 2xF adapter from my bass with 2 cords, one to each (amp - speaker) unit.It sounds good and really increases the volume.This is where another possibility (along with more confusion) comes in for the loop -switcher perhaps? Have I caused enough confusion?

 

[kevmac]

I don't fully understand, what you want to do, but I will give it a try . If you just want the Tyler in der FX loop of the amp, it helps to think of the Tyler as any other pedal and ignore the Tyler's loops for a moment. Then: Amp FX Send -> Tyler In -> Tyler Out -> Amp FX Return... Then you put whatever you want into the Tyler's loops.
If you want the Pre-Amp of your Amp to be in on of the Tyler's loops (maybe you want dirt on the high frequencies, but a DI like signal for the lows), then you would do something like the 4-cable method: Bass -> Tyler In -> Tyler High Send -> Amp In -> Amp FX Send -> Tyler High Return -> Tyler Out -> Amp FX Return... You can then put either a compressor in the Tyler's Low Loop or just put a patch cable between Low Send and Low Return for a clean low end signal.
There are other options, but it would help me, if you would explain, what kind of effect you are going for.

Maybe you can help me sort this mess out. On the Low pass side: preamp pedal in to Tyler "send". Out to compressor pedal "in". Compressor "out" to Tyler "return". HP side: Synth pedal "in" to Tyler "Send", synth "out" to Fuzz "In",Fuzz "out" to Chorus "In", chorus "out" to Tyler "Send". Bass to Tyler "input" and Tyler"output" to power amp. I've included a photo but forgive the wire spaghetti as I'm plugging and unplugging to try so far unsuccessfully to make it work. I get plenty of volume but no FX at all.I'm at my wits end with all this.

 

[Derek Williams]

Maybe you can help me sort this mess out. On the Low pass side: preamp pedal in to Tyler "send". Out to compressor pedal "in". Compressor "out" to Tyler "return". HP side: Synth pedal "in" to Tyler "Send", synth "out" to Fuzz "In",Fuzz "out" to Chorus "In", chorus "out" to Tyler "Send". Bass to Tyler "input" and Tyler"output" to power amp. I've included a photo but forgive the wire spaghetti as I'm plugging and unplugging to try so far unsuccessfully to make it work. I get plenty of volume but no FX at all.I'm at my wits end with all this.

I haven't used the deluxe version, but shouldn't the light on the right side light up when the pedal is engaged? Are you sure it isn't bypassed?

 

[kevmac]

I haven't used the deluxe version, but shouldn't the light on the right side light up when the pedal is engaged? Are you sure it isn't bypassed?

I wasn't aware,but I was only trying to demonstrate how I was connecting every thing.I realize how the buttons and switches work. It's after I hook it all up and turn it on I'm not hearing any FX,just a dry signal.

 

[Derek Williams]

I wasn't aware,but I was only trying to demonstrate how I was connecting every thing.I realize how the buttons and switches work. It's after I hook it all up and turn it on I'm not hearing any FX,just a dry signal.

With the Tyler and all other pedals fully engaged, and turn the clean signal fully down, do you still just hear your clean signal? If so, it sounds defective. Your wiring looks correct in the photo.

 

[Endever]

Hi,
do the following for troubleshooting: Turn the clean knob all the way down. Connect each send of the Tyler directly to your amp and see, if you get a signal. You should also here the effect of both HP and LP filters when turning the frequency knobs.
If you get a signal there, connect your guitar to your preamp and then the preamp directly to each return of the Tyler. You should hear your guitar in both cases, showing that the returns work. If you connect only to one return, the Mix knob should act like a volume knob. Also check the impact of the HP and LP cut switches.

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I think, the Tyler works like this: If you hit "ACTIVATE", your signal is always split into high and low band, but the loops are not active. So, without the loops active, your signal would be split and then directly mixed together again, which in most cases is not so useful . With the new version, they added the HP and LP cut switches. These will mute the high and low band signal if the corresponding loop is disengaged. So now, you could basically only have the high band with effects and completely kill the low end signal (with the initial Tyler, that was not possible).
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If all these tests work, then the Tyler should work. If one of them fails, it seems that your unit is defective.

 

[kevmac]

Hi,
do the following for troubleshooting: Turn the clean knob all the way down. Connect each send of the Tyler directly to your amp and see, if you get a signal. You should also here the effect of both HP and LP filters when turning the frequency knobs.
If you get a signal there, connect your guitar to your preamp and then the preamp directly to each return of the Tyler. You should hear your guitar in both cases, showing that the returns work. If you connect only to one return, the Mix knob should act like a volume knob. Also check the impact of the HP and LP cut switches.

--- Note
I think, the Tyler works like this: If you hit "ACTIVATE", your signal is always split into high and low band, but the loops are not active. So, without the loops active, your signal would be split and then directly mixed together again, which in most cases is not so useful . With the new version, they added the HP and LP cut switches. These will mute the high and low band signal if the corresponding loop is disengaged. So now, you could basically only have the high band with effects and completely kill the low end signal (with the initial Tyler, that was not possible).
--- Note end

If all these tests work, then the Tyler should work. If one of them fails, it seems that your unit is defective.

Thanks to you and Derek for the efforts.I removed the Tyler and all the FX and went straight to a different amp.All good.Then I inverted one pedal each to "high" and "low pass" sections.It worked as it should and I hear FX.So now I'll spend the time checking everything (cables etc.) and do the tedious process of elimination thing. Sounds fun eh'? I'll let you know the results.

 

[Endever]

Hehe, I actually enjoy troubleshooting (up to a point), but I hear you. Good luck.

 

[kevmac]

Hi,

this is my first post in this forum, so I try to add something instead of asking questions first ;-)... This is an idea I would like to share and that I did not find in the forum.
I am currently using the KMA Tyler with a compressor in the LP loop and two distortions in the HP loop and am considering to implement a switcher-looper to my rig. I came up with a setup, which should work and just wanted to share, maybe this is useful to someone ^_^...

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The Tyler eats up 3 loops in total, but the flexibility of this should be amazing. Basically, when loop 1, 4 and 6 are active, everything between loop 1 and 4 is in the HP loop of the Tyler and everything between loop 4 and 6 is in the LP loop of the Tyler. With loop 2 and 3, FX1 and FX2 can be inserted in the HP loop and so on. Where this should get insane is if you use a looper-switcher with variable loop order. Moving loop 3 after loop 4 would put FX2 in the LP loop, for example.
Finally, loop 1 active and all other loops off would result in just the high pass filtered signal, loop 1 and loop 4 active and all other loops off would result in just the low pass filtered signal, so the Tyler can be used as a simple LP/HP filter.
What do you think?
Best wishes
Michael

Have you implemented this set up as yet? I own the Tyler Deluxe and I'm trying to use it with a clean (lows) - dirty (highs) This is a two amp system using a guitar amp and bass amp.I have been achieving the two amp thing via a Morley Mix,ab/y switcher looper but I'd like to be able to incorporate all with the Tyler also.This all hurts my techno starved brain.

 

[Endever]

Hi, yes, I have, works like a charm ... with a recent firmware update, the Musicom MKVI now also supports parallel signal chains, so you could build even more complex signals, where one chain does one thing and the other chain has the tyler.. I have not found a use for it, but it is fun to play with ^_^...
However, it seem the firmware is still a bit buggy with respect to this feature