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Krist from Nirvana

#42
morf said:
I wasn't born in the 60's, so no, but I am a huge Dylan fan, and his technique suits his music. Kurt's playing did not suit Nirvana too well, or at least, IMHO, it could have been alot better, and made Nirvana sound better at the same time, keeping that trash, grunge feel just as much.
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SORRY ABOUT BRINGING THIS BACK UP BUT...

I cannot believe how unknowledgeable you are on this whole entire topic.... you obviously only heard of nirvana's commerical and mainstream music.. and never even bothered to hear Incesticide, or even the Boxed set songs that were unreleased or demos.. and dont even put DT and Nirvana in the same sentence.. terrible comparrison.. IM NOT SAYING THIS because i was and still is a die hard Nirvana fan in the early 90's and late 80's ( bleach ) but you really cannot say things you dont know for a fact.. sure he was sloppy on alot of shows and the numerous times i saw them they were great and in form.. but ive seen a few sloppy shows. as well. but again you cannot say things you dont know just by hearing a few albums, ( Nevermind and In Utero ).. im sorry but this gets me so ticked all the time..
 
#43
Nirvana guitar riffs use unusual chords. But the think, which is a genius is the patterns, the patterns shows how good he was as a songwriter. He actually change the key signature in songs or stick to no key signature.

Anyway he was also good at layering vocal and guitar, and tricks with guitars, such the solo in Come As You Are, which actually phase around your ears.

so in my opinion, he was a good songwriter, but probably not a super technical guitarist. The thing with him is the creativity not the technique. Normally when i valued musicians, i'm look for creativity before technique(although i still technique is still vital), so i would say he is a good musician.
 
#45
Ryan Smith said:
I was listening to Heartshaped box last night and I was really shocked by how good/big he sounds and then later in the song during one of the choruses he sounded all fuzzed out it was awesome. does anyone else share some love for him or know what he uses for dirt?
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YEA F**** YEA!!!!
Was thinking of starting this thread myself, before u did . Yea Krist did tend to copy Kurts guitar riffs, but was a simple yet brilliant bassist, my favorite song would have to be "Aneurysm", if somebody hasn't already bagged it. PHAT bassline in that visible near intro.
"In Bloom" good as well "Heart Shape Box" awesome.
Cheers
 
#46
LarryO said:
sometimes people are very talented but the music they make doesn't show off their true potential (Dave Grohl). But honestly I wouldn't call Nirvana talented, and I wouldn't say Cobain played or sang well, he didn't. What Nirvana excelled at was originallity. They completed what Guns N Roses couldn't.
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Yeah. I don't know how original they were, seeing as how they ripped off their sound from the Pixies (their own admission).
 
#48
morf said:
I'm not saying nirvana should have had dream theatre solos, but cobain's guitar playing still is awful. He could have played the very same things 10 times better if he had worked on his technique a bit more. Not only that but his guitar riffs are very simplistic, granted dream theatre solos wouldnt work, but he kepts his riffs at his own guitar playing level, when he could have IMHO done much better stuff.
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But that's not what Nirvana's music was all about. It wasn't supposed to be clean and technically polished. It was supposed to be dirty sounding, simplistic, and accessible and that's what made Cobain's music so appealing to so many people.

I'm not a big Nirvana fan at all and to my mind, I don't think he deserves the adulation he gets. But I do get that Nirvana was unique and that had they sounded any different than they did, they wouldn't have made any impact on the music world.
 
#52
Alan Vorse said:
Yeah. I don't know how original they were, seeing as how they ripped off their sound from the Pixies (their own admission).
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What you are referring to is the fact that in several interviews Kurt said they were inspired by the Pixies sound and that in particular Smells Like Teen Spirit sounded Pixies influenced to him.
Fair enough, I hear some Pixies influence in their music. There are loud-quiet-loud dynamics and other song writing elements that they share,
but the end result sound produced is very different.
You're comparing Santiago's delicate clean guitar that veers into huge distorted bends that repeat the same note over and over to Kurt's fuzzy chugging power chords. Do you really think that either band's finished recordings could get mistaken for eachother?

Also, for all the folks who said Kurt was a no good guitar player, try to look at his whole body of music and not just the singles you heard on the radio. His playing was dirty because that was the style he wanted to use for that band, not because he didn't have chops. Here's what Rolling Stone had to say when they named him the 12th best guitar player of the rock era:
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#54
mexijazz52 said:
krist is a overlooked bass player if there ever was one. just look at the breakdown in stay away or the chorus in love buzz. hes a phenominal bass player who has influenced my playing tremendously and nirvana still remains my favourite band of all time.
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Amen to that statement.Got to be my favorite or on my favorite list of my favorite bands, probibly the best rock band I'll ever hear. Perfect blend of harmony, depth and distorshon, clear bridges, amazing vocals.
 
#55
A VERY good bass player with GREAT FEEL.
My cover band just started doing Lithium. It's a simple song but I don't have the feel exactly right yet. Just the holes where he doesn't pick, his timing/slides during chord changes and how he mixes it up ... that's the stuff that makes a big difference.
Also, he always had great tone. There's a couple seconds in the second verse of Pennyroyal Tea that gives me chills. His tone and playing is just awesome and perfectly compliments the song.
I wouldn't presume to criticize anyone from Nirvana on any level. They made great music that was pure and clear and flat out rocked - they made music with INTEGRITY.
Ryan Smith said:
I was listening to Heartshaped box last night and I was really shocked by how good/big he sounds and then later in the song during one of the choruses he sounded all fuzzed out it was awesome. does anyone else share some love for him or know what he uses for dirt?
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#56
Sharko said:
What you are referring to is the fact that in several interviews Kurt said they were inspired by the Pixies sound and that in particular Smells Like Teen Spirit sounded Pixies influenced to him.
Fair enough, I hear some Pixies influence in their music. There are loud-quiet-loud dynamics and other song writing elements that they share,
but the end result sound produced is very different.
You're comparing Santiago's delicate clean guitar that veers into huge distorted bends that repeat the same note over and over to Kurt's fuzzy chugging power chords. Do you really think that either band's finished recordings could get mistaken for eachother?

Also, for all the folks who said Kurt was a no good guitar player, try to look at his whole body of music and not just the singles you heard on the radio. His playing was dirty because that was the style he wanted to use for that band, not because he didn't have chops. Here's what Rolling Stone had to say when they named him the 12th best guitar player of the rock era:
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not to mention he was totally self taught.that's something else alot of stupid guitarists..and i guess bassists as well don't take into account of.i still think he was pretty good,a hell of alot better than i am at guitar
 
#57
+1
I wouldn't change ANYTHING in Nirvana.
All those guys had GREAT feel. They had great time. When their time was sloppy, it was deliberately so and they were ALWAYS together. They had great dynamics. Everything served the great songs. And I LIKE Kurt's guitar playing.
Granville said:
Kurt not a very good guitar player? rubbish,no1 was playing like him at the time,it was all hairmetal crap and endless widdling.

Obvioulsy playing is defined by some people by how clean and fast you can play your modes.

Yes it was simple as were the basslines but complex doesnt mean good so no IMO he would not of wrote better songs if he more "proper" technique,he would infact suck.
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#59
Until I heard Nirvana's cover of Love Buzz I didn't know what a bass was supposed to sound like. Few months later I got myself a bass and that was that. Back then I wasn't very good at discerning the bass in songs, and it's even harder to do with Nirvana's songs because sometimes they just become a cloud of noise. So I was discouraged, and for a long time I didn't think much of Krist. It took a while for me to mature, and then I came back and listened through a lot of their records and realized he was actually pretty good! There are some songs where he does chug along with the guitar, but other times he does some really subtle stuff. A great fit for Nirvana and their style of music.
 

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