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Lakland Owners Group #68

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Hey everyone- Last fall I picked up a F*nder American Standard Jazz... making it my ONLY non-Lakland bass in my stable... at first I really liked it... because it was a passive 4 string and a different flavor from all my actives and my Glaub with flats, so I played it and like it... then I started noticing weird things... like the bridge wasn't oval, and it didn't say Lakland on the headstock... So it went on to a new home and I'm in the process of buying a 44-60, but after reading that Hanson has a CS series pickups in a J-casing I'm strongly considering getting a set of those... But I wanted your advice...

Are the CS4's similar in sound to the narrow single coil Chi's?

How different are they from the vintage style CS4a's?

How different are the CS4a's from say an Aguilar AJ60 set?

Would the closed cover CS4's kill the classic look of a Sunburst and Tort 44-60 by not having the exposed pole pieces?

chi-sonics don't sound vintage at all, to me...so I don't know what you're referring to there. the chis should sound the same (or very very close) regardless of what casing they are in.

the Aguilar 60s are vintage sounding, but with more output than say a Hanson vintage or Fralin. I love them in my Spector JJ.
 
Hey everyone- Last fall I picked up a F*nder American Standard Jazz... making it my ONLY non-Lakland bass in my stable... at first I really liked it... because it was a passive 4 string and a different flavor from all my actives and my Glaub with flats, so I played it and like it... then I started noticing weird things... like the bridge wasn't oval, and it didn't say Lakland on the headstock... So it went on to a new home and I'm in the process of buying a 44-60, but after reading that Hanson has a CS series pickups in a J-casing I'm strongly considering getting a set of those... But I wanted your advice...

Are the CS4's similar in sound to the narrow single coil Chi's?

How different are they from the vintage style CS4a's?

How different are the CS4a's from say an Aguilar AJ60 set?

Would the closed cover CS4's kill the classic look of a Sunburst and Tort 44-60 by not having the exposed pole pieces?

This is what I wrote about the CS4's when I got them...

"When the neck pup is solo'd, it's like a P pickup on steroids, thick, throaty, and just made you want to scream "HELL YES!!!". The Bridge solo'd is nice, quacky and warm, very Jaco. Together, they are thick on the lows, the mids are even, not scooped, but even and not over powering, the highs are warm yet crisp. They have a vintage feel, with a modern zing."

I've had them for just over one month and played them side by side with my PBass, 55-02 with Barts and 55-01 with US Bart setup and yes the Honeymoon period is over.

However, I still love the sound of the CS4's. It is exactly what I want from a Jazz bass. They are very responsive to your attack. You can play lightly and hide in the mix and gradually increase your attack and cut through very nicely and start really digging in and get a throaty growl that will sterilize young men and small woodland animals.

They sound full and round and warm. They are KILLER for slap. I did a gig recently where we play everything from Brickhouse to Stinkfist in one particular set and used only my Jazz with CS4's and it handled everything like a champ.

FWIW, I'm using a Genz Streamliner 900, Genz Shuttlemax 9.2, Bergantino AE410 and AE212. Pick a combination and the CS4's will make you smile.

The bridge fit was a bit tight, but I have copper tape shielding the cavity. Note that I did not have to remove any shielding for the pup to fit, but the gap was very small.

I don't think that it will kill the look of your bass.

Here is a before and after of mine. If you want a better "after" pic, PM me and I'll take one with my DSLR.

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guys, i have never held or even seen a Lakland bass but this new Geezer model has me interested. what is it about these basses that make them worth their asking price? i've owned several new fender basses, a few new ricks, new gibson. why do these guys cost so much for the USA models?
 
Lakland knows that a good neck makes a good bass. The necks are like nothing I've ever played before...and I've played plenty. The only other neck I like about as much as my Laklands is my Fender CS Pino.

The necks are actually comparable in cost to the bodies. If that says anything.

guys, i have never held or even seen a Lakland bass but this new Geezer model has me interested. what is it about these basses that make them worth their asking price? i've owned several new fender basses, a few new ricks, new gibson. why do these guys cost so much for the USA models?
 
+1 about Lakland necks! For years of buying and selling basses, I would look for this tone or that tone, thinking that it was really the tone of an instrument that didn't sell me on a particular instrument.

Then I played a Lakland.

The neck is perfect. Not sticky. Fast feeling. Not too fat in my hand. The cliché of it becoming an extension of me was absolutely true. Despite loving the Talkbass community and having been blessed to play all kinds of amazing instruments, when I became sold on Lakland was when I no longer had to think about my instrument and I could just play. My concern for tone (while Lakland is no hack!) went away when I immediately felt at home, moreso than on any other instrument ever. That being said, one or two more never hurts ;-)
 
In my opinion, and that's all it's worth:

Lakland = vintage, kinda on the mild side

Nordstrand = more of everything, more modern sounding, but still well controlled

All depends on the tone you are after.

Lakland is good. nordy gooder

thanks. for the nordy, you say more modern sounding. i typically associate modern with being scooped. are the nordys at all scooped?
 
no, I would not say scooped. When I say modern, I guess I mean more of everything, more meat, more sizzle, not less of anything.

Now this is not a plug for my current for-sale listing (honest) but do a search for Lakland Skyline 5501 in the classifieds, I have some sound clips up there of a nordy equipped 5501, and listen for yourself.
Sounds nothing like a traditional jazz pickup, and that's a good thing in my book.
 
no, I would not say scooped. When I say modern, I guess I mean more of everything, more meat, more sizzle, not less of anything.

Now this is not a plug for my current for-sale listing (honest) but do a search for Lakland Skyline 5501 in the classifieds, I have some sound clips up there of a nordy equipped 5501, and listen for yourself.
Sounds nothing like a traditional jazz pickup, and that's a good thing in my book.

just listened with headphones. i hear a lot of lowen and highs but the mid character i like is not there. not at all a knock on you or the pickups, it's just not the tone i prefer.
 
just listened with headphones. i hear a lot of lowen and highs but the mid character i like is not there. not at all a knock on you or the pickups, it's just not the tone i prefer.


That's very strange, because when I listen through my IEM's I get a a really balanced bass sound, with maybe even a nod towards being mid-forward
 
I usually associate scooped with more vintage sounding pups. Modern I equate with HiFi, which is everything, all the time.

funny how they can mean different things to different people. vintage to me, usually means less lows and more mids with a bit muted highs. modern and hi-fi i hear differently. modern to me is scooped, while hi-fi to me means super clean and even (like an alembic).
 
perhaps it's our different interpretations of mids. i mean, there's low-mids, mid-mids and high-mids. not sure which are the mids i prefer, but i know it when i hear it.


He plays a lot of the 50/50 demo with the B- string...maybe that's what your interpreting as being lowend heavy? I actually think his "favorite" setting is a pretty balanced sound.
 
I'm just glad you listened to the demos, poor playing and all....

Could be some of the Streamliner coming thru there too, I forget what I had the mid switch set to, and its not near me right now to check.
 
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