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Lakland Owners Group #69

So I hit a little unforseen snag on the BG5 project tonight when something that I had completely overlooked was exposed. You'd think at my age and experience I would be smarter than I am but that is too often not the case. I get a thought in my head, file it as 100% correct them am surprised when it's wrong. So I bought the set of used Lakland PJ pickups and had every expectation that they would fall right in. P went in as planned except for discovering tha the radius on the PG P cutouts were the wrong radius, too round, and didn't fit well with the squared corners of the new P pickups. So I spent some quality time hand filing and re-radiusing those corners with fine results. Hard part is done. Grab my new J pickup and to my surprise it's far too long and the screw 'bumps' are in the wrong place. I was stunned, blood pressure rising and saying nasty things in my head about the folks that routed that spot in the first place. Now we know that the EMG 'Long Jazz' fit fine because that was in there. and because it was the 'long' version well, hell, my Lakland bridge pickups are long too... right? And, embarrassingly, never once did the thought enter my head that I might want to measure something. I even have a Lakland bridge pickup in my parts drawer! No need, because it will fit.

Not so much:
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So I am dead in the water at that point, really disappointed, and by disappointed I mean ridiculously pissed. All these thoughts about finding a suitable sized 5 string J pickup that narrow that will accommodate the string spacing, what if I couldn't, how much new compromise will I know be forced into by someone elses ineptitude, etc., etc. So I start weighing options. Burn it? Submit to the correct EMG set? Re-rout for some larger dual coil? Or perhaps I'll just call it a night and re-group. Then I remembered that when the routing was done they had Nordstrands installed so somewhere that compatible set exists. And if that one does there are likely others. Things are getting brighter now. And so I learn that there are some suitable 3.7" wide 5 string pickups out there. Looking back at the older pictures the Nordstrands actually align very nicely. Is that a 'vintage' width? This is not something I kwo much about. Obviously...

So now I will have to go shopping again, this time armed with my newly acquired knowledge.

On the positive side the rest of my planned projects had gone off beautifully

Neck cleaned, waxed and frets checked and polished
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Bridge disassembled cleaned, polished, saddle height screws lubed, saddles shined up, and bridge mounting screws had their heads polished as well. This was one of the more dramatic cleanups. It had a lot of years of stuff accumulated in areas that never get cleaned.
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Same treatments for the tuners which they had 15 years of general haze and dullness. Didn't take them down as far but just more for function check and lubing. These came out nicely as well, especially the barrel nuts and washers which responded well to some polishing. Even polished the small rear mounting heads for a nice detail.
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And since I can't not do them as well, polished the neck screw heads.
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And that's all for now. Audere 3 band preamp on order and time to find some pickups that will fit.
 
For those of you using Nordstrand Jazz pickups, are you favoring the single coil or split coil/noise cancelling version?

Any guidance on their more 'modern' sounding version? It seems the standard Alnico V favors that naturally. Not sure if the split coil mellows things appreciably Standard Lakland sets are single coil and sound great so that's where I am torn.
 
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I'd go hum cancelling for the J pickup just to be safe. I know with good shielding, it should be quiet but there's always that one club/venue that has noisy electric. Also, I'd definitely call the folks at Nordstrand. They may be able to make a pickup specific to your dimensions if they do not have something in stock to fit. Carey would just need the dimensions. I spoke with him a while back when I was considering swapping out the pickups in a Warwick Streamer that I used to own. They were a slightly non-traditional size but if I recall correctly, they said they could make something specific for my needs if I provided the measurements.
 
I'd go hum cancelling for the J pickup just to be safe. I know with good shielding, it should be quiet but there's always that one club/venue that has noisy electric. Also, I'd definitely call the folks at Nordstrand. They may be able to make a pickup specific to your dimensions if they do not have something in stock to fit. Carey would just need the dimensions. I spoke with him a while back when I was considering swapping out the pickups in a Warwick Streamer that I used to own. They were a slightly non-traditional size but if I recall correctly, they said they could make something specific for my needs if I provided the measurements.
Thank you. I believe their stock P & J will fit since that is what previous pics show installed.
 
I'd go hum cancelling for the J pickup just to be safe. I know with good shielding, it should be quiet but there's always that one club/venue that has noisy electric. Also, I'd definitely call the folks at Nordstrand. They may be able to make a pickup specific to your dimensions if they do not have something in stock to fit. Carey would just need the dimensions. I spoke with him a while back when I was considering swapping out the pickups in a Warwick Streamer that I used to own. They were a slightly non-traditional size but if I recall correctly, they said they could make something specific for my needs if I provided the measurements.
Agree with this
 
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Thank you. I believe their stock P & J will fit since that is what previous pics show installed.
Make sure you get the NJ5 and not the NJ5F. F stands for Fender sized. Or NJ5S for the split coil version.

EDiT - here's the link:
 
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Thank you. And you bet I looked 10 times at the measurements this time. 3.725" it is.

I opted for this set:
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Which is likely what had been in there from at least 2016 and before the EMG.
 
Two sisters and a cousin. Wow, does my office lighting look bleak or what?


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I guess since the sisters are both DJ4s, they actually should called brothers? Bruthas?

The burgundy DJ4 is an interesting one. I had never seen a DJ4 in that color and actually contacted Lakland to see if it was legit (counterfeiting a Skyline seemed unlikely, but you never know). Sent my query just before I went to bed. Had a reply before I woke up the next morning. Wow!

It turns out that was a special run of 30 they did for Bass Club Chicago. Somebody replaced the pickups on this one with EMGs. I will not have time to give it a good work out until this weekend. I might love the EMGs (I doubt it) but I am already looking at replacing them with Fralins or Lollars.
 
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I guess since the sisters are both DJ4s, they actually should called brothers? Bruthas?

The burgundy DJ4 is an interesting one. I had never seen a DJ4 in that color and actually contacted Lakland to see if it was legit (counterfeiting a Skyline seemed unlikely, but you never know. Sent my query just before I went to bed. Had a reply before I woke up the next morning. Wow!

It turns out that was a special run of 30 they did for Bass Club Chicago. Somebody replaced the pickups on this one with EMGs. I will not have time to give it a good work out until this weekend. I might love the EMGs (I doubt it) but I am already looking at replacing them with Fralins or Lollars.

Some other folks here got one of these:

@FourNotFive
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/lakland-owners-group-61.952076/page-16#post-13897306

@jnumme
https://www.talkbass.com/threads/the-lakland-darryl-jones-club.577627/page-31#post-13800924



Original announcements:

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It turns out that was a special run of 30 they did for Bass Club Chicago.
I have one of these DJs but it's underwent a number of modifications, not by me. This bass came to me with the following mods:
  • This has a replacement neck; the original was all maple with no matching headstock.
  • The pickups are Nordstrand 70's wound single coil jazz pickups.
  • Audere 4-band pre-amp with passive tone control.
  • All black hardware.
  • Hipshot D-tuner.
It's a really nice bass and the mods were well executed. One thing I noticed is this has a different neck profile than the usual 44-60 jazz basses; a little flatter and bit wider down the neck as you move beyond the 12th fret. Also, this has 70s jazz pickup spacing. I compared it to my Skyline 44-60.

I lent this to my son to use for a couple gigs and seem to have a hard time getting it back.
 

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