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Lakland Owners Group #69

This may be a dumb question buuuut:

My 44-01 Skyline gets a lot louder when I turn the preamp off. I know it's not a true passive mode and effectively just bypasses the eq but I would expect it to be louder with the preamp on. Is this normal? It's noticeable and I have to adjust levels to allow for the difference.
No, not normal at all.
Wiser minds than mine will intervene, but the preamp passive mode is designed as an emergency get-you-home feature if the battery dies in the middle of a song. It's significantly quieter than active mode.
There is, I believe, an internal trim pot somewhere on the circuit board that allows you to adjust the gain in passive mode. It's possible that has been tampered with. Is the bass new or second hand?

And...easy things first. Have you tried it with a new 9v battery in?

Peace,
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Had to do a double take - The phrase "Black and Tan" has a very different meaning in the British Isles! If you play any gigs in a Chicago based Irish bar maybe don't call it that! :D


Oh I know.

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looks great Si- I was considering that bass for months when it was in GuitarGuitar but couldn't justify getting it when I don't really like black basses!

Had to do a double take - The phrase "Black and Tan" has a very different meaning in the British Isles! If you play any gigs in a Chicago based Irish bar maybe don't call it that! :D


I'm somewhat ashamed and embarrassed to admit I had no idea of this historical reference and significance of the name. Learned something today.
 
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TL;DR version: My first Lakland. Very cool bass with some mods. Does anyone know how the "unpublished" DIP switch settings might affect the mid control frequency points? I can't find much at all on this. Any thoughts on Series/Single Coil/Parallel for the 3 way switch vs the stock configuration?


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Hello Lakland users.


I picked up this Skyline 55-02 last week, my first experience with a Lakland. It's Korean made from 2006 per the serial #.


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I could tell while playing it in the store that it had been modded to some degree. What would ordinarily be the control for the high EQ band had no center detent, and was clearly functioning as a passive tone knob, functional both in passive and active modes. It did not occur to me in the store that the exposed pole pieces on the pickups might have been an indicator of non-stock pickups.


After getting it home I found this little surprise in the control cavity. You can see what was the original high control pot bagged for insulation and otherwise left intact, except that one wire had been disconnected from its pad on the circuit board to disable it. The pickups had been replaced with Nordstrands. The LH-3 remains. And whoever did the work left documentation from Nordstrand and an explanation of the current pickup wiring. Well done, thanks!


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The three way switch for the humbucker now selects between Series/Back Coil/Parallel.


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I'm considering changing this to the stock configuration for the switch. Based on the wiring diagram on the Lakland site, I believe that would be Front Coil/Parallel/Back Coil, though I could be reading that incorrectly. I'm far from being any kind of electronics expert.


I found after gigging it over the weekend that the series humbucking mode seemed to completely overpower the neck pickup. I found I liked both coils much better in parallel than series with the neck and bridge blended 50/50. Also, though I didn't hear it playing through an amp, when monitoring over in-ears the series humbucking mode seems to be clipping the LH-3's input. I know there's a trim pot for that, but the volume balance between passive and preamped modes seems perfect otherwise, and I think I'd prefer to leave that as is.


Given the addition of a passive tone control, I'm likely to use this bass in passive mode at least as often as active mode, probably more. Though, who knows. I generally prefer passive electronics on my instruments, but the preamp on this sounds pretty fantastic.


The passive tone circuit is wired with .047 and .022 caps in parallel on a 500k pot. Again, I'm no electronics expert, and my experience with different cap values is mostly limited to Fender type circuits with 250k pots. When rolled all the way off, this tone control doesn't sound to my ear quite to get quite as dark as a typical Fender circuit. It seems very usable throughout its range.

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I didn't spend a whole lot of time yet playing with the various published mid frequency points. After a quick audition of each, I left it set at 600Hz. But when I first opened this up, it was set to a switch configuration for which I've seen no published value.

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On that setting, which I only auditioned in the store, on an unfamiliar amp, various classic riffs and solos dueling across the room, it sounded almost like it was simply boosting overall volume. I neglected to audition that setting at home before running through all the published ones.


A Lakland rep told me he had no info on this beside what's published on their site. I know it's only of academic value, how each setting sounds is all that really matters, but the details nerd in me would love to know specifically what each permutation of DIP switch configurations is actually doing.


Do any of you more experienced Lakland users have any knowledge on this? Has any tech savvy user expended the effort to figure all that out?


Any thoughts, tips, or general advice on how you more seasoned Lakland people like to use yours would be welcome.


Thanks!
 
TL;DR version: My first Lakland. Very cool bass with some mods. Does anyone know how the "unpublished" DIP switch settings might affect the mid control frequency points? I can't find much at all on this. Any thoughts on Series/Single Coil/Parallel for the 3 way switch vs the stock configuration?


___________________


Hello Lakland users.


I picked up this Skyline 55-02 last week, my first experience with a Lakland. It's Korean made from 2006 per the serial #.


View attachment 4244078




I could tell while playing it in the store that it had been modded to some degree. What would ordinarily be the control for the high EQ band had no center detent, and was clearly functioning as a passive tone knob, functional both in passive and active modes. It did not occur to me in the store that the exposed pole pieces on the pickups might have been an indicator of non-stock pickups.


After getting it home I found this little surprise in the control cavity. You can see what was the original high control pot bagged for insulation and otherwise left intact, except that one wire had been disconnected from its pad on the circuit board to disable it. The pickups had been replaced with Nordstrands. The LH-3 remains. And whoever did the work left documentation from Nordstrand and an explanation of the current pickup wiring. Well done, thanks!


View attachment 4244079



The three way switch for the humbucker now selects between Series/Back Coil/Parallel.


View attachment 4244080 View attachment 4244081



I'm considering changing this to the stock configuration for the switch. Based on the wiring diagram on the Lakland site, I believe that would be Front Coil/Parallel/Back Coil, though I could be reading that incorrectly. I'm far from being any kind of electronics expert.


I found after gigging it over the weekend that the series humbucking mode seemed to completely overpower the neck pickup. I found I liked both coils much better in parallel than series with the neck and bridge blended 50/50. Also, though I didn't hear it playing through an amp, when monitoring over in-ears the series humbucking mode seems to be clipping the LH-3's input. I know there's a trim pot for that, but the volume balance between passive and preamped modes seems perfect otherwise, and I think I'd prefer to leave that as is.


Given the addition of a passive tone control, I'm likely to use this bass in passive mode at least as often as active mode, probably more. Though, who knows. I generally prefer passive electronics on my instruments, but the preamp on this sounds pretty fantastic.


The passive tone circuit is wired with .047 and .022 caps in parallel on a 500k pot. Again, I'm no electronics expert, and my experience with different cap values is mostly limited to Fender type circuits with 250k pots. When rolled all the way off, this tone control doesn't sound to my ear quite to get quite as dark as a typical Fender circuit. It seems very usable throughout its range.

View attachment 4244082



I didn't spend a whole lot of time yet playing with the various published mid frequency points. After a quick audition of each, I left it set at 600Hz. But when I first opened this up, it was set to a switch configuration for which I've seen no published value.

View attachment 4244083


On that setting, which I only auditioned in the store, on an unfamiliar amp, various classic riffs and solos dueling across the room, it sounded almost like it was simply boosting overall volume. I neglected to audition that setting at home before running through all the published ones.


A Lakland rep told me he had no info on this beside what's published on their site. I know it's only of academic value, how each setting sounds is all that really matters, but the details nerd in me would love to know specifically what each permutation of DIP switch configurations is actually doing.


Do any of you more experienced Lakland users have any knowledge on this? Has any tech savvy user expended the effort to figure all that out?


Any thoughts, tips, or general advice on how you more seasoned Lakland people like to use yours would be welcome.


Thanks!
I have no insight to your question. Only wanted to say this is a cool bass with some interesting mods. I personally find the Lakland treble control to be the most musical I've ever heard on an active bass preamp. Adds incredibly definition and clarity in the highs without becoming harsh. I also leave the mid at center position 100% of the time. It's almost a shame they used the treble control for tone and not the mid. I have long thought about the mid control conversion into a tone control. I would also add the the pickup splitter is VERY useful for getting a great active J tone out of the bass when soloing the bridge half of the hum bucker (in conjunction with the neck pickup). I'm sure the nordstrand pickups are no slouch and will sound very good as well. It's also nice to see that whoever worked on your bass took pride in the work they were doing. That is a comforting feeling.
 
TL;DR version: My first Lakland. Very cool bass with some mods. Does anyone know how the "unpublished" DIP switch settings might affect the mid control frequency points? I can't find much at all on this. Any thoughts on Series/Single Coil/Parallel for the 3 way switch vs the stock configuration?


___________________


Hello Lakland users.


I picked up this Skyline 55-02 last week, my first experience with a Lakland. It's Korean made from 2006 per the serial #.


View attachment 4244078




I could tell while playing it in the store that it had been modded to some degree. What would ordinarily be the control for the high EQ band had no center detent, and was clearly functioning as a passive tone knob, functional both in passive and active modes. It did not occur to me in the store that the exposed pole pieces on the pickups might have been an indicator of non-stock pickups.


After getting it home I found this little surprise in the control cavity. You can see what was the original high control pot bagged for insulation and otherwise left intact, except that one wire had been disconnected from its pad on the circuit board to disable it. The pickups had been replaced with Nordstrands. The LH-3 remains. And whoever did the work left documentation from Nordstrand and an explanation of the current pickup wiring. Well done, thanks!


View attachment 4244079



The three way switch for the humbucker now selects between Series/Back Coil/Parallel.


View attachment 4244080 View attachment 4244081



I'm considering changing this to the stock configuration for the switch. Based on the wiring diagram on the Lakland site, I believe that would be Front Coil/Parallel/Back Coil, though I could be reading that incorrectly. I'm far from being any kind of electronics expert.


I found after gigging it over the weekend that the series humbucking mode seemed to completely overpower the neck pickup. I found I liked both coils much better in parallel than series with the neck and bridge blended 50/50. Also, though I didn't hear it playing through an amp, when monitoring over in-ears the series humbucking mode seems to be clipping the LH-3's input. I know there's a trim pot for that, but the volume balance between passive and preamped modes seems perfect otherwise, and I think I'd prefer to leave that as is.


Given the addition of a passive tone control, I'm likely to use this bass in passive mode at least as often as active mode, probably more. Though, who knows. I generally prefer passive electronics on my instruments, but the preamp on this sounds pretty fantastic.


The passive tone circuit is wired with .047 and .022 caps in parallel on a 500k pot. Again, I'm no electronics expert, and my experience with different cap values is mostly limited to Fender type circuits with 250k pots. When rolled all the way off, this tone control doesn't sound to my ear quite to get quite as dark as a typical Fender circuit. It seems very usable throughout its range.

View attachment 4244082



I didn't spend a whole lot of time yet playing with the various published mid frequency points. After a quick audition of each, I left it set at 600Hz. But when I first opened this up, it was set to a switch configuration for which I've seen no published value.

View attachment 4244083


On that setting, which I only auditioned in the store, on an unfamiliar amp, various classic riffs and solos dueling across the room, it sounded almost like it was simply boosting overall volume. I neglected to audition that setting at home before running through all the published ones.


A Lakland rep told me he had no info on this beside what's published on their site. I know it's only of academic value, how each setting sounds is all that really matters, but the details nerd in me would love to know specifically what each permutation of DIP switch configurations is actually doing.


Do any of you more experienced Lakland users have any knowledge on this? Has any tech savvy user expended the effort to figure all that out?


Any thoughts, tips, or general advice on how you more seasoned Lakland people like to use yours would be welcome.


Thanks!

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@3bc Thanks for the thougts. It would be a really easy swap to put the high control back into the circuit. I'll probably give that a try soon when I have a little time. Interesting that you'd rather ditch the mid control than the high. I guess my instinct is that I'd be more likely to want to boost/cut mids than be able to boost highs, but you've got me wanting to hear that high band now. And idk how they compare to what was originally in it, but the Nordstrands do sound really good. While gigging with it over the weekend I gravitated mostly toward the two single coils balanced 50/50, the J sound.

@Texan Thanks for sharing that. I had actually seen that on their site. But there are possible combinations not accounted for there. I'm interested to find out what those might do as well.
 
@3bc Thanks for the thougts. It would be a really easy swap to put the high control back into the circuit. I'll probably give that a try soon when I have a little time. Interesting that you'd rather ditch the mid control than the high. I guess my instinct is that I'd be more likely to want to boost/cut mids than be able to boost highs, but you've got me wanting to hear that high band now. And idk how they compare to what was originally in it, but the Nordstrands do sound really good. While gigging with it over the weekend I gravitated mostly toward the two single coils balanced 50/50, the J sound.

@Texan Thanks for sharing that. I had actually seen that on their site. But there are possible combinations not accounted for there. I'm interested to find out what those might do as well.
I have parametric mids on both of my amps, and they both sound nice to me, so they're more functional. The treble control on the lakland preamp sounds better than the treble on my tone hammer and Genzler heads to my ears.
 
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Has anyone with a Skyline every upgraded the Bart MKI pups for the MK4 and was it worth it? I saw an old thread where the guy didn't think it was but read elsewhere that it fattens the neck sound more. I think that is without changing the preamp. I find the G string can sound a bit weak but I could probably fix that with EQ. Thoughts?