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Lap steel players... please help.

Nice gift @two fingers... :thumbsup:

Here's my old Gibson BR-9 lap steel, something I truly have no earthly bizniss with:

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FWIW, here's a link to the only thing I ever recorded with that lap steel... it was on a twenty-year anthology project of the band I used to play with back in the day. (also played bass on that, and all the other tracks...)



I prefer this profiled slide with a rounded end and a pointed end. (as pictured with my old Regal Model 19)

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...but don't use me as an example - for some reason, I always preferred to use a flat pick rather than fingerpicks. :rolleyes:
 
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Nice gift @two fingers... :thumbsup:

Here's my old Gibson BR-9 lap steel, something I truly have no earthly bizniss with:

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FWIW, here's a link to the only thing I ever recorded with that lap steel... it was on a twenty-year anthology project of the band I used to play with back in the day. (also played bass on that, and all the other tracks...)



I prefer this profiled slide with a rounded end and a pointed end. (as pictured with my old Regal Model 19)

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...but don't use me as an example - for some reason, I always preferred to use a flat pick rather than fingerpicks. :rolleyes:


Nice!

Good vocal harmonies too. What did you record the bass track on? Sounds almost acoustic?
 
Nice!

Good vocal harmonies too. What did you record the bass track on? Sounds almost acoustic?

Good ear, man... yeah, that was my old German upright. I did play bass guitar on a few tracks, but that was an old recording we had tracked much earlier and never used.

Acoustic Endeavors, 18 years (and 40 lbs!) ago.

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Get yourself all the David Lindley albums and google on the tunings he uses. This isn't the best performance but there isn't much on YouTube (I think he polices pretty closely as he's had most of his work pirated so badly). But you can see his technique and I'd put Lindley at the top of the heap when it comes to slide.
 
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So, my outlaws (translation: in-laws) are the BEST at giving Christmas gifts. They give you things you didn't know you wanted until you got one.

That leads me to this. It is one of only three ever made by a luthier down where they live. The craftsmanship seems fantastic. I know exactly zero about lap steel. I know even less about this one. But I am excited to give it a go!!!

Supposedly the guy milled the nut, string retainer, the plate at the base of the neck and saddles out of hunks of metal. All wood was done using hand or bench tools. Solid poplar with a rosewood board.

Pics then questions...
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Pretty cool, huh?

So, talk to me about bar slides. I like the looks of the Shubb GS-1 Just because it's wood. Thoughts?

Picks. I know nothing. Whataya think? My fingers are big. Other than that I got nutn.

Tube combo. I want a cool amp for this thing. A buddy of mine has a custom amp that is made for guitar and uses a 15" guitar speaker. It sounds super cool when he plays slide. Are there any out there factory made like that? I'll probably wind up with a Blues Jr. or something but just curious about your thoughts.

Then just general advice about good video lessons. I don't think anyone near me plays so in-person lessons are out.

As always, thanks! Short and choppy answers are fine. Or go nuts.

Wow, that's beautiful.
 
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That is a pretty slick piece of craftsmanship. What a cool gift! What's the scale length?

I am currently on a steel hiatus, but I got pretty into it for awhile and I'm sure the itch will come around again. I settled on a Shubb-Pearse SP1 steel, which has the fluted sides like the wood/metal one posted above...but with a rounded bullet nose like a pedal steel bar, so you can tip it up on its nose for single-string or double-stop moves. I think it's chrome-plated brass, but it might be steel. I've tried the ones without the bullet nose and you can do the same stuff with them, but I think the rounded nose makes it easier. I can't seem to hold onto the cylindrical bullet-nose ones.

I use bare fingers, no picks. I can't use fingerpicks on guitar either, and I don't like the way the note attacks come across when I use a flatpick on the steel. I like the darker, rounder attack of bare fingers.

I generally dislike distorted steel, because--rightly or wrongly--it immediately makes me think of distorted slide guitar beer commercials. Singing, sustainy clean pedal steel tones are what I try to achieve, and--in my limited-skills kind of way--I try to emulate simplified versions of the pedal moves and steel-type close intervals. For instance, bending and releasing one string (behind the slide) of a chord to emulate one of those suspension tricks the pedal steel guys do...raise the third to the fourth in a major triad, then release, etc.

I have messed around in C6 tuning and there's a lot of instructional material available for that one, but most of my playing has been in Dobro G (G B D G B D--or 1 3 5 1 3 5, low to high) which forces you to slant the bar and do string pulls and stuff to achieve a minor chord (or just play a minor third along with other instruments) but it's pretty resonant and easy to do in-tune-sounding simple stuff.

Since I lack pedal steel chops and western swing vocabulary, but identify with the pedal-steel end of the spectrum, I find myself trying to achieve that kind of feel with single-note melodic stuff or two-note harmony stuff...thirds, sixths...it puts a sustainy countryish texture in otherwise non-country things and that seems to please my ear. If you want to do bluesy or rock-sounding distorted stuff, you might like something like open G (D G D G B D), D (D A D F# A D), E (E B E G# B E) or A (A E A C# E A) tuning, so you can distort it and access that sort of guitar Drop-D sounding lower string power chord sound. Note that all of those are 1 5 1 1 3 5 intervals except open G, which is 5 1 5 1 3 5...I think that's because that arrangement is easier to achieve on a guitar without blowing its neck into outer space from excessive string tension. On a lap steel, I think you are less at risk of that.

I have never liked playing steel through dirty-toned amps. I like it clean, bright (my steel is kind of dark and midrangy, and I play bare-fingered) with a little compression and reverb. A compressor pedal into my Peavey Special 150 1 x 12 amp (basically a Bandit with twice the output stage) is perfect for what I like to hear. The one time I had a successful lap steel recording experience, I used two amps together that were sitting around at the studio...a Fender Princeton Chorus and a Fender BXR200 bass amp. Sounded huge and clean and glistening into a single condenser mic a few feet out in front. But either of the amps sounded pretty good alone, too.

My point is, unless you want a really trick amp (to go with looks like a pretty trick steel), just try stuff until you find something that sounds right to you. For now, focus on your hands and your ears...you've got your work cut out for you, but it's worth the effort! It's going to sound like a dying housecat for a little while. Don't get discouraged. Your hands will learn if you keep at it. Also, wear shoes. You will drop the steel on your foot, and it can hurt.

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That is a pretty slick piece of craftsmanship. What a cool gift! What's the scale length?

I am currently on a steel hiatus, but I got pretty into it for awhile and I'm sure the itch will come around again. I settled on a Shubb-Pearse SP1 steel, which has the fluted sides like the wood/metal one posted above...but with a rounded bullet nose like a pedal steel bar, so you can tip it up on its nose for single-string or double-stop moves. I think it's chrome-plated brass, but it might be steel. I've tried the ones without the bullet nose and you can do the same stuff with them, but I think the rounded nose makes it easier. I can't seem to hold onto the cylindrical bullet-nose ones.

I use bare fingers, no picks. I can't use fingerpicks on guitar either, and I don't like the way the note attacks come across when I use a flatpick on the steel. I like the darker, rounder attack of bare fingers.

I generally dislike distorted steel, because--rightly or wrongly--it immediately makes me think of distorted slide guitar beer commercials. Singing, sustainy clean pedal steel tones are what I try to achieve, and--in my limited-skills kind of way--I try to emulate simplified versions of the pedal moves and steel-type close intervals. For instance, bending and releasing one string (behind the slide) of a chord to emulate one of those suspension tricks the pedal steel guys do...raise the third to the fourth in a major triad, then release, etc.

I have messed around in C6 tuning and there's a lot of instructional material available for that one, but most of my playing has been in Dobro G (G B D G B D--or 1 3 5 1 3 5, low to high) which forces you to slant the bar and do string pulls and stuff to achieve a minor chord (or just play a minor third along with other instruments) but it's pretty resonant and easy to do in-tune-sounding simple stuff.

Since I lack pedal steel chops and western swing vocabulary, but identify with the pedal-steel end of the spectrum, I find myself trying to achieve that kind of feel with single-note melodic stuff or two-note harmony stuff...thirds, sixths...it puts a sustainy countryish texture in otherwise non-country things and that seems to please my ear. If you want to do bluesy or rock-sounding distorted stuff, you might like something like open G (D G D G B D), D (D A D F# A D), E (E B E G# B E) or A (A E A C# E A) tuning, so you can distort it and access that sort of guitar Drop-D sounding lower string power chord sound. Note that all of those are 1 5 1 1 3 5 intervals except open G, which is 5 1 5 1 3 5...I think that's because that arrangement is easier to achieve on a guitar without blowing its neck into outer space from excessive string tension. On a lap steel, I think you are less at risk of that.

I have never liked playing steel through dirty-toned amps. I like it clean, bright (my steel is kind of dark and midrangy, and I play bare-fingered) with a little compression and reverb. A compressor pedal into my Peavey Special 150 1 x 12 amp (basically a Bandit with twice the output stage) is perfect for what I like to hear. The one time I had a successful lap steel recording experience, I used two amps together that were sitting around at the studio...a Fender Princeton Chorus and a Fender BXR200 bass amp. Sounded huge and clean and glistening into a single condenser mic a few feet out in front. But either of the amps sounded pretty good alone, too.

My point is, unless you want a really trick amp (to go with looks like a pretty trick steel), just try stuff until you find something that sounds right to you. For now, focus on your hands and your ears...you've got your work cut out for you, but it's worth the effort! It's going to sound like a dying housecat for a little while. Don't get discouraged. Your hands will learn if you keep at it. Also, wear shoes. You will drop the steel on your foot, and it can hurt.

edited for length...honest

Lots of info. Thanks!

I got to mess around with it a little while ago. (I have ordered a slide but it's not here yet. Would you believe I actually used he handle of an all metal steak knife from my butcher block? Pretty cutting edge I thought.... ;))

1) This one is currently tuned to open E.

2) Playing the dang thing is harder than it looks! :D