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Laying down an 8x10 on its side?

#64
ga_edwards said:
Tell me that in 20 years when you've lost your hearing. Unfortunately, you won't be able to hear my reply.
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i have max ear protection with custom ear plugs. my ears rarely ring after shows. i take care of my ears, but i still enjoy turning up loud.

people that dont wear ear plugs playing heavy music are crazy, but theres nothing wrong with excessive volume if you take care of your ears.
 
#65
johnbegone said:
Any band with drums needs earplugs, especially for rehearsal.

OP: Why does your guitar player have a full stack, period? Let alone at rehearsal. If you can't affect what other people are doing in the room, I recommend buy a little 2x10 wedge monitor for yourself and run your amp into that. You could buy a powered one and send your amps DI into it if you don't want to leach your amp's power section.

Flipping it on its side then tilting it back seems like a lot of work and a horrible use of space. Not sure what size of room you play in, but it sounds small if your guitar player is right on top of you.

My band plays close to stage volume at rehearsals for short periods at a time because amps sound different at different volumes and we are trying to dial in exactly the sounds we want. At all other times we are turned way down because we're all very sensitive about our hearing.

Maybe I'm overly sensitive to this situation because I just got my hearing checked and I have hearing loss (at the age of 25), and I've always worn ear plugs. I got some custom fit Sensaphonics now and they are a game changer for me. -25db but everything sounds nearly perfect, just quieter. $275 for the pair though, yikes.
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Thanks for the insult.
 
#66
At many of the shows my band has played, we are able to adjust our volume low enough that we can literally talk to each other while playing. And yes, the sound guy cranks us through the mains. I am in a death metal band with 2 guitars, keys, bass, and the heaviest drummer I've ever played with. He also triggers his kick and snare.

This volume war stuff makes me laugh. I also find it funny when people say that you MUST WEAR EARPLUGS ALL THE TIME OR YOU WILL GO DEAF OMG. How many people do you see at concerts wearing earplugs? Not very many. And it's louder out there than on stage.
 
#67
Burlington said:
At many of the shows my band has played, we are able to adjust our volume low enough that we can literally talk to each other while playing. And yes, the sound guy cranks us through the mains. I am in a death metal band with 2 guitars, keys, bass, and the heaviest drummer I've ever played with. He also triggers his kick and snare.

This volume war stuff makes me laugh. I also find it funny when people say that you MUST WEAR EARPLUGS ALL THE TIME OR YOU WILL GO DEAF OMG. How many people do you see at concerts wearing earplugs? Not very many. And it's louder out there than on stage.
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first of all, it shouldnt be a volume war, being loud is fine but there has to be a good mix of everything for this to work. if one person is way louder than an another, youre doing something wrong.

second, if youre in a death metal band and theres that many instruments and you can talk on stage during a show (which is ridiculous to begin with if youre really playing death metal) thats just weak. i dont care how much a sound guy wants to crank you through the PA, if youre not getting some intense volume from all of that going at once, chances are you sound paper thin. unless somehow youre playing through the best PA in the universe and your sound guy is some amazing sound guy (chances are, neither of these are true).
 
#68
beebassdude said:
first of all, it shouldnt be a volume war, being loud is fine but there has to be a good mix of everything for this to work. if one person is way louder than an another, youre doing something wrong.

second, if youre in a death metal band and theres that many instruments and you can talk on stage during a show (which is ridiculous to begin with if youre really playing death metal) thats just weak. i dont care how much a sound guy wants to crank you through the PA, if youre not getting some intense volume from all of that going at once, chances are you sound paper thin. unless somehow youre playing through the best PA in the universe and your sound guy is some amazing sound guy (chances are, neither of these are true).
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Good day.
 
#72
Burlington said:
At many of the shows my band has played, we are able to adjust our volume low enough that we can literally talk to each other while playing. And yes, the sound guy cranks us through the mains. I am in a death metal band with 2 guitars, keys, bass, and the heaviest drummer I've ever played with. He also triggers his kick and snare.

This volume war stuff makes me laugh. I also find it funny when people say that you MUST WEAR EARPLUGS ALL THE TIME OR YOU WILL GO DEAF OMG. How many people do you see at concerts wearing earplugs? Not very many. And it's louder out there than on stage.
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+1. As for the perception that metal is inherently loud, it isn't. I have four years worth of RTAs taken at the FOH of a major venue, and metal acts if anything tended to be middle of the road where volume is concerned. And yes, they can and do talk to each other on stage. Kiddie bands don't grasp the concept that the backline is just for monitoring, while the PA drives the room. Pros, especially old pros, do. If they didn't they'd all be deaf and unemployed.
 
#73
billfitzmaurice said:
+1. As for the perception that metal is inherently loud, it isn't. I have four years worth of RTAs taken at the FOH of a major venue, and metal acts if anything tended to be middle of the road where volume is concerned. And yes, they can and do talk to each other on stage. Kiddie bands don't grasp the concept that the backline is just for monitoring, while the PA drives the room. Pros, especially old pros, do. If they didn't they'd all be deaf and unemployed.
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if thats true, metal is middle of the road when volume is concerned, in your experience what type of music produced the loudest bands where volume is concerned?
 
#74
one of the loudest concerts i ever saw, possible THE loudest, was johnny winter at a 3000 seat nightclub in 1980. he used two musicman amps the size of fender twins. the bassist had an svt/810. my heart almost exploded from the volume.
 
#75
Good thing you were you and strong!
Those MusicMan amps are mega-loud for their size.

One band I work with the guitar player uses a 35 watt (I think?) 112 combo, and it's capable of "way too loud" to me.
 
#76
billfitzmaurice said:
+1. As for the perception that metal is inherently loud, it isn't. I have four years worth of RTAs taken at the FOH of a major venue, and metal acts if anything tended to be middle of the road where volume is concerned. And yes, they can and do talk to each other on stage. Kiddie bands don't grasp the concept that the backline is just for monitoring, while the PA drives the room. Pros, especially old pros, do. If they didn't they'd all be deaf and unemployed.
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This.

For sludge and doom metal super loud volumes may work. I don't play any of that so I don't know. When you're playing intricate parts very fast, like my band and many other death metal bands do, when things are too loud it just sounds like mush.
 
#77
beebassdude said:
if thats true, metal is middle of the road when volume is concerned, in your experience what type of music produced the loudest bands where volume is concerned?
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It's not necessarily the band or the genre, it's the idiot at the controls. I found metal acts to be on the whole much more polite and level headed than their cultivated image would portray, and their overall high level of respect and gratitude to their audiences translated to a same level of respect by their engineers for said audience's hearing.
The loudest I ever measured, before his FOH engineer turned it down on threat of being arrested, was David Lee Roth. The next day he did a concert in Vermont where he ended up being fined $5k. Roth was a jerk, and his crew had the same 'screw you. I'm a star' attitude.
Roth, BTW, was opening for Sammy Hagar, and we had no problems with him at all. A real class act.
 
#78
JimmyM said:
one of the loudest concerts i ever saw, possible THE loudest, was johnny winter at a 3000 seat nightclub in 1980. he used two musicman amps the size of fender twins. the bassist had an svt/810. my heart almost exploded from the volume.
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I once saw Deep Purple, billed as the Loudest Band In The World, in concert with Rod Stewart and Small Faces at an 8000 seat Arena. Guess who was louder ? Yep, ol' Rod the Mod.
 
#79
billfitzmaurice said:
It's not necessarily the band or the genre, it's the idiot at the controls. I found metal acts to be on the whole much more polite and level headed than their cultivated image would portray, and their overall high level of respect and gratitude to their audiences translated to a same level of respect by their engineers for said audience's hearing.
The loudest I ever measured, before his FOH engineer turned it down on threat of being arrested, was David Lee Roth. The next day he did a concert in Vermont where he ended up being fined $5k. Roth was a jerk, and his crew had the same 'screw you. I'm a star' attitude.
Roth, BTW, was opening for Sammy Hagar, and we had no problems with him at all. A real class act.
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lol, that is classic. roth seems like such a d-bag so his image is no different than who he really is so it would seem.

for that kind of music you dont need super volume tho. i guess just from the type of music i play, it sounds really thin without mass amounts of volume. obviously you dont need that kinda volume at practice, but getting that grind out amps at high volumes just rules. i couldnt live without pushing my SVT haha!
 

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