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Lead Vocalist using effects

I toured for over 25 years and never came across a single vocalist who used effects. However for most jobs, the audio tech applied effects to the vocals. Hopefully you can see the distinction here.

IMHO applying vocal effects via the mixing console is generally considered professional, and using a vocal processor inline with the microphone is generally going to come across as amateurish.
 
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IMHO, I accept you know best how to EQ your voice for the monitor mix. However, it's likely that a totally different EQ is required for FOH. Unless you can be in two different positions at the same time and also manifest two different mental processes simultaneously, I.E. listening and singing, you should let a competent audio tech EQ your vocals for the FOH mix instead of getting territorial and throwing insults.
That's an insult to me and an extremely unfair characterizaton that's really uncalled for. I know that my voice works best if I cut the mids and the bottom and boost the highs a bit. I don't dictate to the FOH people what they should do but, honestly, I've run into a lot of incompetent people standing behind a board. What I provide to them is a starting point which is offered with kindness. I have no choice but to trust them to send out to the house whatever it is they send out. If they're competent, it's a bonus, but it's not always the case. No need to get so defensive.
 
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I toured for over 25 years and never came across a single vocalist who used effects. However for most jobs, the audio tech applied effects to the vocals. Hopefully you can see the distinction here.

IMHO applying vocal effects via the mixing console is generally considered professional, and using a vocal processor inline with the microphone is generally going to come across as amateurish.

At least someone knows where I'm coming from a bit

I initially asked about damage to the PA because the other day the pedals fell off the chair he had them on and it made a pop sound through the practice PA. Our soundguy just got a fully powered Mackie setup and I figured it would be smarter to run an effects loop just in case, and hoped I could maybe formulate an arguement on that premise.
 
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That's an insult to me and an extremely unfair characterizaton that's really uncalled for. I know that my voice works best if I cut the mids and the bottom and boost the highs a bit. I don't dictate to the FOH people what they should do but, honestly, I've run into a lot of incompetent people standing behind a board. What I provide to them is a starting point which is offered with kindness. I have no choice but to trust them to send out to the house whatever it is they send out. If they're competent, it's a bonus, but it's not always the case. No need to get so defensive.

I suggest you take your own advice about getting defensive, as I am not attacking you and no insult was intended.

I totally accept that you know what works with your voice. However, if you are sending a competent audio tech a pre-equalized signal, IMHO you may be making his/her job harder. It's far better (for the FOH mix) for a competent tech to start with an unprocessed signal, rather than having to try and reverse engineer what someone else has done. At the very least you should be communicating with the audio tech so there are no surprises.

However, if the audio tech is incompetent, your inputs are probably a god send.

In my experience, the ideal EQ curve has more to do with your physiology and how sound disperses from your mouth, head, and body than the actual timbre of your voice. Each vocalist will have sort of a characteristic EQ curve that will work well with their voice and mic combination. The problem with your approach is the curve has to be tailored to the system tuning and acoustics of each venue, which is not something you can do from behind the mains. You have to be out in the room and use your ears.

Also your perception of how your voice sounds changes when you are singing versus when you are listening. So the only way you could really equalize yourself effectively in the FOH mix would be if the system is set up to multitrack record and playback the entire band.

Due to the limitations of the routing of most mixing boards, your approach does have some potential merits. Basically it's fairly common for the monitor sends to be configured Pre Fader/Pre EQ. The idea is so the audio tech can apply as much EQ as necessary to make the channel work at FOH without gutting the sound in the monitors. The consequence of this configuration is there is no EQ applied to the individual channels in the monitor mix...basically the signals in the aux sends are flat, or possibly just high passed. Global EQ can be applied to the send but this is not as useful as discrete EQ applied to the individual channel strips.

IMHO, sound reinforcement is generally not about pursuing absolute perfection, it's more about making the best compromises. So as long as your EQ is not too extreme and you don't fiddle with the settings throughout the show, I would be fine with it. It's basically the some thing as a bass player using a Post EQ DI, which I am not a huge fan of, but if the player is in IEMs I think it serves a useful purpose.
 
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At least someone knows where I'm coming from a bit

I initially asked about damage to the PA because the other day the pedals fell off the chair he had them on and it made a pop sound through the practice PA. Our soundguy just got a fully powered Mackie setup and I figured it would be smarter to run an effects loop just in case, and hoped I could maybe formulate an arguement on that premise.

If the vocalist is using a bunch of pedals to do this, IMHO it's even more amateurish. It is somewhat creative and inventive, but IMHO at the very least the pedals should be mounted on a pedal board to keep the connections secure and tiddy :confused::banghead:.

Loud transients can damage woofers and tweeters. Doesn't really have anything to do with effects, per se. But if the vocalist is making patching changes without muting the channel, that needs to stop.
 
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At least someone knows where I'm coming from a bit

I initially asked about damage to the PA because the other day the pedals fell off the chair he had them on and it made a pop sound through the practice PA. Our soundguy just got a fully powered Mackie setup and I figured it would be smarter to run an effects loop just in case, and hoped I could maybe formulate an arguement on that premise.

what???
 
If someone tried to tell me how I should eq my own voice after doing this for many years, I'd recognize that I had just stepped into amateur land.

Also, by this I (obviously) meant someone in my band, not some FOH person whose freaking job it is to eq everything. I do get tired of people jumping down my throat for things I never said or meant.
 
If the vocalist is using a bunch of pedals to do this, IMHO it's even more amateurish. It is somewhat creative and inventive, but IMHO at the very least the pedals should be mounted on a pedal board to keep the connections secure and tiddy :confused::banghead:.

Loud transients can damage woofers and tweeters. Doesn't really have anything to do with effects, per se. But if the vocalist is making patching changes without muting the channel, that needs to stop.

Yeah this has nothing to do with effects in general, it's more of inexperienced use and sloppy handling

Yeah I should have be more detailed in my op. He had them elevated for easier knob twisting
 
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Yeah this has nothing to do with effects in general, it's more of inexperienced use and sloppy handling

I think inexperience and sloppy handling is exactly what the OP is concerned about. Proper use of effects will not damage the system as long as you don't exceed the design parameters of the speakers, but improper use of effects and sloppy handling do pose a hazard.
 
If it works great for a specific song, why not (think of Cher's "If I Could Turn Back Time"), but not for an entire gig.

This reminds me of some of my friends from years ago - a band that recorded a full album with the same pingy snare throughout - forty minutes of ping, ping, ping. It was okay for a couple of songs, but as it was used throughout, it ruined the entire album. You couldn't appreciate any of the content because of that damned snare. At the start of each song the pinging started and I could barely stand to listen to anything more.