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leaving for boot camp

Hell week is not the first week. It's the fifth or sixth week. And it sucks. Five and a half days, four hours sleep total. I think there was a study with that being the minimum required to hold off psychosis. Something like half the injuries of the six-month program happen during Hell Week.

I never could have survived that course. I'm sure of it. I wouldn't have quit. But I might have died.
 
Todd--that wasn't me in Anbar--I've been in Okinawa for a couple years now. The last shots I saw fired in anger were in East Timor (working with our Australian brothers-what a professional, no-nonsense group of warriors) and in Aden, Yemen just after the Cole was sucker-punched. I'll report in to 3rd LAR on Halloween this year (18 years to the day from the first time I reported in there)--will you still be there?

Bard--regarding how training is getting easier--I've been in since Ronald Regan was in office (I joined to fight the Russians..... :hmm: ). I think the emphasis in the last 20 years has been to train a smarter warfighter, rather than a stronger one. It's far easier to make someone strong than it is to make them smart. I've seen that transition particurlarly in the Navy and Marine Corps. Having said that, I know from personal experience that Marine Corps physical fitness standards have gotten tougher since I came in (especially the pull-ups, and the change in female physical fitness test standards becoming comperable to the males). In recent years, the Corps has also instituted martial arts training, emphasing not only the physical skills, but also the "warrior ethos" that any martial artist must also master to add make the martial arts an appropriately used and effective weapon.
The Navy also recently tightened up on their physical fitness standards, and Sailors are sitting up and taking notice.
My experiance with Corpsman has been pretty darn good. Since there's only 1 per Infantry Platoon, they need to be able to do everything we do to the same standards. In the past, if I had one that couldn't (or wouldn't) hack it, a quick talk with the Chief (HMC) got me one that would fast. Corpsman are one of the key players in the team, and since there's only one, he has to be smart, professional, competant and strong. There can't be a compromise with that, or Marines will die. That's a huge responsibility for a 19 or 20-year old, but that's the way it is. I personally think that Corpsman serving with the Marines are the finest that the Navy has to offer. That's not to take anything away from the other Sailors proudly serving (or have served in the past), I just don't have much personal experiance with that part of the Navy.

Volumefiend-
If you're fortunate enough to pick your job, pick something that seems interesting. No matter what it is, be the best there is at what you do. People will notice. I meant what I said about adopting the Core Values--use them in all you do and they'll serve you well in life. If you really want to get ahead of your peers, learn the Marine Corps Leadership Traits and Principals. They will serve you well personally and professionally, whether in the military or as a civilian. And whatever you do, take advantage of any education benefits you can. I've been able to earn 2 Bachelors degrees and am working on a Masters since I've been in. I had just about zero opportunity to that as a civilian.

Regarding Stress Cards--I've heard of them, but have never personally seen them. I suspect that those who would do us harm won't acknowledge them, though.

Scott Zaehler
GySgt USMC
 
Thank you all for serving and good luck at boot camp. I learned that 1 of my friends went Army and 1 of them went Air Force [these guys graduated a year or two before me].

Thanks for serving.


Cam
 
MJ5150 said:
Holy crap dude. You have to let us know how that goes. If you can pass that, serious respect will be due to you.

Have you seen that series on the Military channel about Navy SEALS BUD/S training? You should check it out. Ignore everything these guys are saying about the training being watered down, and easier. During the first week of BUDS, called Hellweek, the soldiers are deprived of sleep for 96 hours, and spend a majority of their time floating in 56 degree water in the ocean. When you get out of the water, you'll have to roll around in the sand. There was nothing sissy, watered down, or easy about anything those guys did. Which is why only 19 finished from the 83 that started.

I hope everything goes well for you. Please keep us updated.

-Mike

First of all, BUDs is a different ballgame. You don't join the Navy and go straight to BUDs. You go through boot camp first. Then the BUDs guys come over, give a little motivational speech and then they let aspirants "try out". It's a swim, then a run (in boots) and push ups and curl ups as soon as you finish the run. You still have to finish bootcamp. And go to your "A" school. Then you go to BUDs if you passed the tryouts. So by the time you get there, you'll have a few months in the Navy already. Note, you can also tryout anytime in your career that you feel that you are up to it. There is an age limit of course.

And no Hellweek doesn't start till week 6.

FWIW, the number of push ups required to get "Satisfactory" in regular boot camp for an 18 y.o. male is a whopping 46 :confused: For females it's... are you ready? 20. :scowl: This is from the Navy's Physical Fitness OPNAVINST 6110G. So yeah, it is watered down.

Volumefiend, I am stationed in San Diego, when you do make it to BUDs, just post here and maybe we hook up so I can welcome you to America's Finest City.
 
syciprider said:
First of all, BUDs is a different ballgame. You don't join the Navy and go straight to BUDs. You go through boot camp first. Then the BUDs guys come over, give a little motivational speech and then they let aspirants "try out". It's a swim, then a run (in boots) and push ups and curl ups as soon as you finish the run. You still have to finish bootcamp. And go to your "A" school. Then you go to BUDs if you passed the tryouts. So by the time you get there, you'll have a few months in the Navy already. Note, you can also tryout anytime in your career that you feel that you are up to it. There is an age limit of course.

And no Hellweek doesn't start till week 6.

FWIW, the number of push ups required to get "Satisfactory" in regular boot camp for an 18 y.o. male is a whopping 46 :confused: For females it's... are you ready? 20. :scowl: This is from the Navy's Physical Fitness OPNAVINST 6110G. So yeah, it is watered down.

Volumefiend, I am stationed in San Diego, when you do make it to BUDs, just post here and maybe we hook up so I can welcome you to America's Finest City.


will do.

46 and 20 pushups seems like it should be "satisfactory". i mean, as the minimum thats really not too bad. to achieve a greater mark however, i am glad that extra effort will have to be put in.


see ya guys!
 

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