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Left hand technique

To me, this pic doesn't show a radically low position. I wear mine slighty higher, but not much. There are so many variables that affect all of these points (height, arm-span, weight, finger length and dexterity, type of bass...too many for everybody to do it exactly the same, IMO)...I'm 6'4" and have a huge reach, so fretting the low C on my 35" scale bass isn't a stretch for me. I still stick by my original statement that you shouldn't play too rigid. The position of the neck of my bass shifts depending on where I'm playing on the neck. It's comfortable for me shift the headstock up the higher I move up the neck. I'm sure this is failrly unique to my playing, but my body proportions are unique as well, so doesn't that correlate?

"Water flows, or water crashes...be water my friend" - Bruce Lee (paraphrased)
 
I think you think we hold our bass horizontal and need a 90degree bend. I have a position like Bunny Brunel. Almost upright. Everything isn't bend and I play with my thumb in the back of the neck.



No not at all, Bunny has it down great, but the technique for that angle is sort of a hy-brid of both. But you have to admit, that sort of angle was not the norm, but more are taking to it.
But again look at the compensations Bunny makes to get the bass in that position. His basses design was never made for that angle.....if it was then it is a bad design that nesessetates the strap to travel over the front and to have a top horn/bout that adds little to the support of playing.
But one of the fantastic things about Bunny's playing is when sitting the bass is almost perfect as is his posture...two feet flat on the floor, spine angle straight and relaxed.

When you consider the first P bass designs they were a compromise to allow guitar based ideas and techniques to be played either by pick or thumb. That design was taken on board by just about all, no one really looked at it and questioned why it could not be up-right.
Emmett Chapmans stick bass took the idea close and was inovative is concept and design ( as was the steinberger ). Today there are a range of electric up-rights that use stands to support them, are fretted, easy to transport. There are even stands you can sit or fix a standard bass to that will be self supporting allowing you to move freely around them.
From the Torzal Twist ( which I love as a concept ) to players that play basses lap style, and will use modern electric stick basses on their laps ala Jeff Healy....then we see that there is more thought going into the ergonomics and techniques of what we really need to do to play, rather than play and look cool.

But what I do see is far to much justification of techniques based on traditional or accepted ideas without any real attempt to understand the mechanics involved to the players health, the mechanics are based on music.
When I was younger and playing in orchestras if a player had or developed a physical problem, they were replaced.
So I came to understand at an early age it is up to the player to take responsibility for their own playing health, because the option is not always for others to invest in getting that player healthy to play their music, it is replace them with another that can.

But yes for me in a pit situation, or one where stage movement is not what it is all about, Bunny has it down..... But I feel Bunny would have it down regardless of any bass angle or technique he used....sort of in-spite of it, not because of it.:)
 
No not at all, Bunny has it down great, but the technique for that angle is sort of a hy-brid of both. But you have to admit, that sort of angle was not the norm, but more are taking to it.
But again look at the compensations Bunny makes to get the bass in that position. His basses design was never made for that angle.....if it was then it is a bad design that nesessetates the strap to travel over the front and to have a top horn/bout that adds little to the support of playing.
But one of the fantastic things about Bunny's playing is when sitting the bass is almost perfect as is his posture...two feet flat on the floor, spine angle straight and relaxed.

When you consider the first P bass designs they were a compromise to allow guitar based ideas and techniques to be played either by pick or thumb. That design was taken on board by just about all, no one really looked at it and questioned why it could not be up-right.
Emmett Chapmans stick bass took the idea close and was inovative is concept and design ( as was the steinberger ). Today there are a range of electric up-rights that use stands to support them, are fretted, easy to transport. There are even stands you can sit or fix a standard bass to that will be self supporting allowing you to move freely around them.
From the Torzal Twist ( which I love as a concept ) to players that play basses lap style, and will use modern electric stick basses on their laps ala Jeff Healy....then we see that there is more thought going into the ergonomics and techniques of what we really need to do to play, rather than play and look cool.

But what I do see is far to much justification of techniques based on traditional or accepted ideas without any real attempt to understand the mechanics involved to the players health, the mechanics are based on music.
When I was younger and playing in orchestras if a player had or developed a physical problem, they were replaced.
So I came to understand at an early age it is up to the player to take responsibility for their own playing health, because the option is not always for others to invest in getting that player healthy to play their music, it is replace them with another that can.

But yes for me in a pit situation, or one where stage movement is not what it is all about, Bunny has it down..... But I feel Bunny would have it down regardless of any bass angle or technique he used....sort of in-spite of it, not because of it.:)

I still think he is up on something other bass player refuse to see for many factor.

Also the bass a Carvin BB70/5/6 is his signature bass, he wanted the bass like that. I had one for a year and it naturally took that kind of position when you have a strap.

Also i see more and more extrem metal bass player taking that kind of position.

A hybrid between classical guitar and DB.
 
To me, this pic doesn't show a radically low position. I wear mine slighty higher, but not much. There are so many variables that affect all of these points (height, arm-span, weight, finger length and dexterity, type of bass...too many for everybody to do it exactly the same, IMO)...I'm 6'4" and have a huge reach, so fretting the low C on my 35" scale bass isn't a stretch for me. I still stick by my original statement that you shouldn't play too rigid. The position of the neck of my bass shifts depending on where I'm playing on the neck. It's comfortable for me shift the headstock up the higher I move up the neck. I'm sure this is failrly unique to my playing, but my body proportions are unique as well, so doesn't that correlate?

"Water flows, or water crashes...be water my friend" - Bruce Lee (paraphrased)

+1
Yes we can move the bass into position that allow us better playing positions for our bodies....I for one move the bass to suit my hands rather that contort my body or hands to suit the bass. There are even pictures and I believe some video of me playing it fully up right on YouTube if you enter my name, some of those pictures have the head stock almost touching my temples.

Another point the proportions of players are not all the same, so the results are not the same. As a Willie Dixon fan some of the footage of him backing Howlin' Wolf can look deceiving...like he is playing a half or 3/4 size bass.....till you realise that Willie is 6'2" and the Wolf is 6'6" and it is a full size bass he has in his hands.
So a persons physical make up has a big bearing on what the should and should not attempt....200 years ago of you were not big enough to play the instrument you did not get to play the instrument....end of story.
 
I still think he is up on something other bass player refuse to see for many factor.

Also the bass a Carvin BB70/5/6 is his signature bass, he wanted the bass like that. I had one for a year and it naturally took that kind of position when you have a strap.

Also i see more and more extrem metal bass player taking that kind of position.

A hybrid between classical guitar and DB.

So the bass is designed to have the strap run over the front then?

I knew he done it with his original basses to help keep the bass in position, so I assumed the carvin had the same issues...I would love to have seen a bass with two slots to pass the strap through so you can fix the hang rather than have it just spin on the two buttons design we have now.

Big +1 to the metal players that use it, it shows that there is thought in their approach.
Actually a better system will come about one day, as will necks and bridges counter sunk in to the body so the wrist can stay straighter when plucking......but one day....someone has to think of it.....:crying: