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Lefties why didn't you start playing a righty?

As opposed to what? Unprovable assertions based on prejudice that defy any sort of analysis? Mr KenToby, you posed a question, and now you are running from everyone who offers up an answer. :eyebrow:

MY experience, indeed, is not YOUR experience; but from what you have posted so far, I would guess that mine encompasses quite a bit more than yours.:p
 
Many beginners often ask weather a particular bass is available in a left handed model. My responce has always been, what difference does it make since you have never plaued before and therefore have not developed a preference for either a left or right instrument.

My question is why do they offer a "Left handed" bass??

the same reason why people use their left hand as the dominant hand for anything.

your argument can be applied equally to using utensils as well, or pencils - "what difference does it make, since you've never used a fork before?"

the hole in your logic that "what difference does it make if you've never played the instrument before" is that there is a handedness-based reasoning behind the way stringed instruments were first made.

the creators of plucked stringed instruments based their design on the players being (obviously) right handed individuals and configured the instrument accordingly, with the tasks required (fretting and plucking/picking) being performed by whichever hand "felt correct", which ended up being the secondary hand fretting and the primary hand plucking/picking. this is in large part due to the increased level of stamina and dynamic control (i.e. muscle control - finesse and strength) required from the "sound producing" hand (plucking/picking) - much higher than the fretting hand requirements for strength, stamina, and finesse, if proper techinique is being used. the primary hand is naturally more suited to this role.

i know that you think you are doing someone a favor by encouraging them to play against their natural handedness, but you are doing them a grave disservice, imo. there is no reason why they should have to fight against the current of their own nature just to play the same instruments everyone else does. while availability is a valid concern, lefty instruments are available on the web from many reputable dealers at all price points, from the very cheap to the boutique.
 
Classy. Very classy. :bawl: My feelings are so hurt. You get my vote of e-tough for the day.

while i don't necessarily agree with the verbiage he used, i don't disagree with the sentiment.

rolling your eyes at someone who states a fact about themselves when you have never even met them is hardly what i would call classy either, dude. :hmm: you call him e-tough, well you're making yourself out to be some kind of e-guru knowitall. something to consider - you don't know him or his situation, so you can't judge without being viewed as a hypocrite.

in his case he legitimately can not play righty due to physiological considerations. now don't you feel silly?
 
while i don't necessarily agree with the verbiage he used, i don't disagree with the sentiment.

rolling your eyes at someone who states a fact about themselves when you have never even met them is hardly what i would call classy either, dude. :hmm: you call him e-tough, well you're making yourself out to be some kind of e-guru knowitall. something to consider - you don't know him or his situation, so you can't judge without being viewed as a hypocrite.

in his case he legitimately can not play righty due to physiological considerations. now don't you feel silly?

Nope. My statement was NOT a blanket statement that all lefties should play that way and didn't warrant a cheap shot. Had I been unable to play, I would be in the same boat. Most that I know do it because it is assumed there's only one way to do things. It's the same reason people fear fretless bass, more than 5 strings, etc. Change is bad, don't break out of your comfort zone, you can't do this or that.

I recall a bassist with one arm who seems to do the job without complaining too much. Limitations are what you make them. Call me a rebel, but I tend to enjoy doing stuff people tell me I shouldn't be able to do.
 
Maybe you think I'm insane... but I had a friend who was a pro guitarist in the 80's (classically trained but played fancy 80's-rock-style for the most part). When I expressed interest in learning to play bass, he told me that, despite being a righty who played "righty", if he had everything to do over again, he'd play "lefty" instead (that is, dominant hand on fingering).

His rationale was that guitars were designed to be played with the dominant hand on plucking because of all the intricate, multi-finger plucking patterns in classical guitar playing that demand a lot of pluck-hand dexterity. However, rock guitar typically has much more simplistic pluck-hand motions (just back and forth with a pick), with more emphasis on intricate fingering-hand patterns. Therefore, he said, if you're not playing classically, you'd want your strong hand on fingering, to handle the more demanding task.

It sounded reasonable to me, so I learned to play "lefty". It was not easy at the very beginning, but I tried messing around a bit with both approaches just to see the difference and frankly felt equally incompetant either way. My weak hand was the limiting factor regardless of which task it was doing, so I figured it made sense to put it on the less intricate task (i.e. plucking) and continue playing "lefty". I also liked the idea of doing things differently from everyone else, and figured maybe it would show up in my playing somehow and make it more distinctive.

After about a year and a half my playing was way beyond where most people expected, sounding to them more like I'd been playing for 3-5 years. It took me some time to learn to slap passably, though. I didn't really get decent at it until I'd played for 3-4 years, at which time I also developed strumming. 10 years later I am still hopeless with pluck-hand tapping; the difficulty of getting my weak hand to do that seems so daunting that I haven't really put much of any effort into it (especially because I don't really see where I'd use the technique musically; I'm not terribly interested in the applications I've heard).

Anyway in the end I'm not convinced that there's a clear advantage technique-wise to doing things either way. Bass has more pluck-hand stuff going on than your average chord-strummin' rock guitar, so it may just be that for any advantage you gain with one approach, you give up something else.

I think it just comes down to personal preference. Does one way or another feel especially difficult to you as a beginner? Do you have a basic attraction to the idea of doing things differently from everyone else? How important is instrument access/selection? Are there certain techniques (chording, tapping, slapping, fretless intonation, quick runs up and down the fingerboard, whatever) that you know you'll want to emphasize in your playing, and which are especially demanding on one hand or the other?

Overall, I'd tend to agree with Ken... I don't really imagine for most players that the pros and cons of playing one way or another will in the final calculation outweigh the instrument availability factor, and my knee-jerk recommendation to any new player would be to play "righty". But perhaps unlike Ken I'd encourage them to try both ways and make the choice for themselves. I'd say do things whichever way you think will accomplish the most for you down the line, but if that seems so difficult that you don't even want to play, well, do things the way that's easier now (whether that means from a technique or instrument-acquisition standpoint, or both).
 
I'm right handed. As I've learned to play bass, I have devoted about .0001% of my energy to learning proper right hand technique because it is so easy that it just comes naturally. If I was to try to learn to play left handed (same as a lefty playing righty) then I would have to devote a lot of energy to getting my strumming hand together. It just seems to me that the task of learning to play bass would be at least twice as hard if my naturally dominant hand was not strumming the strings. YMMV
 
im left handed, and i play right, as alot of my buddies. same with michael angel batio.

for me, and my friends, playing right handed felt natural. whether it was because you see people on TV play that way, or a guitar has always been for right handed players. (or the mass market, whatever) however, i write, play ball (football soccor, baseball, what not) and i am left hand/foor dominant. however, i find certain things right handed to be better. like ctting, using chainsaw, Frisbee easier with my right.

like some others have said, it just feels comfortable to you, so people go that route, if playing left handed felt more comfortable, i would have gone that route. i personally would probably flip a drum set around to make it more comfortable for me.
 
I had been thinking along the same lines...I've never seen an instrument with a neck and strings designed so that the strings were stopped by the dominant hand and sounded (plucked or bowed) by the other.

There may well be exceptions, but their rarity underlines the point.

Statistically, left-handed persons constitute about 10% of the population, so it's no surprise that those made for right-handed players predominate.

It would seem that, if you deliberately forced someone to reverse that in their playing, that person would never reach whatever potential they would have in playing conventionally (conventional meaning, of course, sounding the strings with the dominant hand and stopping them with the other).

There are always anomalies, virtuousoes and freaks who defy any sort of analysis (Libby Cotton, for example, and, no, I'm not calling her a freak!) but for the majority of cases, the lute/violin family/guitar/bass is designed to be played one way.

And, not to beat a possibly dead horse, but there is no practical way to test any assertion in this area: we are left with our experiences and our interpretation of them.
 
Many beginners often ask weather a particular bass is available in a left handed model. My responce has always been, what difference does it make since you have never plaued before and therefore have not developed a preference for either a left or right instrument.

My question is why do they offer a "Left handed" bass??
There are no left handed keyboards or violins os horns, etc.

I don't understand why anyone with no bass playing experience would go into bass playing looking for a left handed instrument.

Any Ideas??

Thanks,
Yea I have an Idea, go outside with somebody and have a catch with a football left and right handed and then comeback and tell us how stupid you were for starting such an idiotic thread about a common sense subject! :mad: :eyebrow:
 
I am almost entirely ambidextrous, although primarily left-handed. I've always done things, with the support of my parents, with the hand with which I was most effective. I write, use cutlery, bowl, throw and even smoke using my left hand, but I play bass and use a mouse right-handed. Some tasks, such as painting, I can do equally well with either hand, and I can write passably with my right hand.

For me, playing bass felt most natural when I tried it right-handed, whereas a lot of things didn't, and I went with what felt most natural. My left-hand dexterity shows itself as I am probably more capable of fingering complex fingerboard passages than I am at plucking with my right hand.

For some, playing left-handed feels considerably more natural than the alternative, and there is no reason at all why they shouldn't be able to proceed this way. One of the best bassists I know plays lefty and upside-down (Haslip-style), and he can do it all, even complex slapping stuff, which looks seriously wrong when done upside-down! He must be doing OK, as he's landed gigs with Rick Wakeman, Take That (where he's played arenas) and on the London theatre circuit. And I'm not going to tell him he's been doing it wrong all these years! :D
 
Still can't see what's so difficult to understand. Of course this subject does carry some emotional weight.

But can't you naysayers see that it doesn't make sense that the dominant hand (right handers for example) is just doing simple picking when the left is doing the intricate fretting. That's not an opinion. That is a fact.

So why is it so natural for the weak hand to do the hard work? Handedness doesn't really come into play here.

This was just an exploration into a fresh subject on these boards. And that should be pretty cool in itself.
And I'm really sorry it's so hard for lefties to find basses. Truly I am.
 
Still can't see what's so difficult to understand. Of course this subject does carry some emotional weight.

But can't you naysayers see that it doesn't make sense that the dominant hand (right handers for example) is just doing simple picking when the left is doing the intricate fretting. That's not an opinion. That is a fact.

So why is it so natural for the weak hand to do the hard work? Handedness doesn't really come into play here.

This was just an exploration into a fresh subject on these boards. And that should be pretty cool in itself.
And I'm really sorry it's so hard for lefties to find basses. Truly I am.

Is fretting or plucking more difficult? My gut tells me that each task is too different for a direct comparison, yet using the dominant hand may offer some advantages.

The world ain't designed for the lefty. It took me several years to find that lefty pill counting tray. I still need to get a custom holder for my left handed keys! :p Had there been a lefty selection and fewer restrictions, I probably would have went for it. Besides, what guitarist would mess with an unlined fretless 6 string bass?
 
The classical musician thing comes from the fact that the design of those instruments dates to a period in history when being left-hand dominant was unacceptable, due to the fact that it was believed that left-handedness was "devilish". Seriously. Perhaps you know a grandparent that was forced to learn to write with their right hand, though left-dominant? A holdover from those times.

Why haven't the lefty classical musicians revolted?

In today's day and age of "protect diversity and individual choice" I would suspect a revolution would have happened by now. If learning an instrument right handed (when you are left handed) is so much more difficult, then why haven't the facist, commie, traditionalist music teachers been filed with discrimination charges for forcing studnets to conform to the "right" way?? Yes, this is some tongue and cheek on my part, but there is some truth to it. I am a school teacher. If teachers in this country were making all children write with their right hand, teachers would be being sued left and right (pun intended)!!! So why is it any different?.... I'll answer that. Cuz one hand dominance effects writing with a pencil X10 more than it does one hand dominance in learning an instrument. Both hands share a fair amount of dexterity when playing violin, bass, whatever. It simply doesn't seem to be discrimination to even to the most liberated sue-happy parent.
 
Is fretting or plucking more difficult? My gut tells me that each task is too different for a direct comparison, yet using the dominant hand may offer some advantages.

Personally, I think the fretting hand demands more dexterity. I don't play slap so I can't speak for that technique. For people who strum acoustic guitar, I would think the fretting hand takes way more dexterity then simply running a pick back in forth. Hmmmmmmmm.

Phil Mickelson's father saw the advantages of Phil learning golf right handed, because Phil is left hand dominant, he would have more power and control swinging right handed. Maybe I should have learned to play lefty since I am right hand dominant!