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Lightweight Cabs That Throw...

#41
Medicine Man said:
Really, to echo others, buy once and cry once on a lightweight modern, high displacement 2x12 like Mesa Subway, Barefaced, GR or some such high performance cab. They can push out so much more sound than you think with your WT head.
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I've been paying attention to the Barefaced 310T, from their 10CR loaded cabs. That seems to have the neighborhood of character I've been interested in lately, sound-wise. But I'm getting the point here, that's it's a whole new set of factors we're looking at for high performance. Pretty cool really.
Also, being able to use my Eden might be interesting. I like what it does at the volume it functions at, and it runs at 2 ohms, which it's apparently quite "happy" doing. That opens interesting doors...
 
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#43
Mark Karwan said:
...Yes Mesa Subway 15 seems to work wonders for many people as well. And more likely that you could find one to try out.
Ideally you could track down a peer in your region who owns a barefaced 10 cab before committing to that.
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I always recommend trying before buying, that way there's no guessing involved.
 
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I generally need one of these at a time. The pair is stupid loud. Much louder than I want to be near... the 15 and 5 driver combination (Faital Pro drivers) are strong and seem to be efficient. The box on the bottom is based on a design from TB'er @5StringPocket. TB'er Singlemalt did the carpentry - he's good and it and I still have all 10 fingers ;-) I did the finishing pieces. I used the mid portion of a fEarful 12/6 to keep the lows out of the mid. The 15 runs full range. Simple and effective. 2 of these would be ridiculous ... IMO

I also do a lot of synth bass. Future Impact V4 driving either a Behringer Cat or a Moog Minitaur. Mostly the Minitaur because ...presets. I can get some scary stuff out of the Cat though ;-) So when I am running a rig, it needs to be fairly robust. This stuff is.

Power wise.... Quilter BB-803. I was an early adopter of the BB-800. I still ise it to ppwer a pair of passive subs. The Quilter stuff is strong... Tried and did not care for the 802. The 803 I like a lot.

For a 1 cab solution. Used fEarful 15/6. or one of it's variants from LDS,etc. Crazy loud. Reasonable neutral, the fearful design takes EQ really well. Big low end! I ran one of those one festival season. Large stages ... it was all the band needed. End of season though it was too large to be practical for me and I went to a 12/6 amd 12/sub. Then onto the Faital Pro based cabs. The top cab is from Mike Arnapol Soundworks.

For the record, my fave rig is ... a Shure IEM transmitter with 64 Audio cusrom molded IEM's...
 

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#46
4Mal said:
I generally need one of these at a time. The pair is stupid loud. Much louder than I want to be near... the 15 and 5 driver combination (Faital Pro drivers) are strong and seem to be efficient. The box on the bottom is based on a design from TB'er @5StringPocket. TB'er Singlemalt did the carpentry - he's good and it and I still have all 10 fingers ;-) I did the finishing pieces. I used the mid portion of a fEarful 12/6 to keep the lows out of the mid. The 15 runs full range. Simple and effective. 2 of these would be ridiculous ... IMO

I also do a lot of synth bass. Future Impact V4 driving either a Behringer Cat or a Moog Minitaur. Mostly the Minitaur because ...presets. I can get some scary stuff out of the Cat though ;-) So when I am running a rig, it needs to be fairly robust. This stuff is.

Power wise.... Quilter BB-803. I was an early adopter of the BB-800. I still ise it to ppwer a pair of passive subs. The Quilter stuff is strong... Tried and did not care for the 802. The 803 I like a lot.

For a 1 cab solution. Used fEarful 15/6. or one of it's variants from LDS,etc. Crazy loud. Reasonable neutral, the fearful design takes EQ really well. Big low end! I ran one of those one festival season. Large stages ... it was all the band needed. End of season though it was too large to be practical for me and I went to a 12/6 amd 12/sub. Then onto the Faital Pro based cabs. The top cab is from Mike Arnapol Soundworks.

For the record, my fave rig is ... a Shure IEM transmitter with 64 Audio cusrom molded IEM's...
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So, fEARful... I remember seeing a lot of buzz about those.
 
#49
So far the buy once, cry once ethic has brought the Mesa Subway 215 onto my radar. Ouch $$, but between the well-written blurb and testimonial here, I'm fairly taken with it. I wonder if my Eden WT405 will be substantial enough to power it... This cab will pretty much drain my resources. I don't mind, if it's the right thing to do.

Other attention getters have been Barefaced- their 310T; Wayne Jones' powered 210; The Genzler 212-3 array; and Schroeder...
I'm generally leaning hard toward ceramic as opposed to neo drivers, the Mesa notwithstanding...
Seeking opportunities to try some of this stuff out now.
 
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Count Bassie said:
I wonder if my Eden WT405 will be substantial enough to power it...
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Big and efficient cab don't need more power from the amp, it's the almost opposite (big efficient cabs can make even a 100W tube amps sound loud). You don't have to send them as much power as they can take.

Anyway, the Eden WT405 is rated 405W @4Ω, it should be super loud with a Subway 2x15.
Maybe much more than what you actually need? We'd have to estimate your SPL needs in that case.

If I were you, I would start with a Subway 1x15 and see if it's loud enough for my needs, with my current amp.
Enough? Congrats, you've just saved $$ and kilos.
Lacking? Buy a second one. Now you've got a modular 2x15, you can use 1 cab for small gigs and 2 cabs for larger venues.

When I said "buy once cry once", it was about choosing quality gear that you'll want to keep for a long time.
But you can split the investment in 2 easier steps.
 
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gtirard said:
Big and efficient cab don't need more power from the amp, it's the almost opposite (big efficient cabs can make even a 100W tube amps sound loud). You don't have to send them as much power as they can take.

Anyway, the Eden WT405 is rated 405W @4Ω, it should be super loud with a Subway 2x15.
Maybe much more than what you actually need? We'd have to estimate your SPL needs in that case.

If I were you, I would start with a Subway 1x15 and see if it's loud enough for my needs, with my current amp.
Enough? Congrats, you've just saved $$ and kilos.
Lacking? Buy a second one. Now you've got a modular 2x15, you can use 1 cab for small gigs and 2 cabs for larger venues.

When I said "buy once cry once", it was about choosing quality gear that you'll want to keep for a long time.
But you can split the investment in 2 easier steps.
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Well if a single Mesa 15 is 8 ohms, that's running the Eden at 8 ohms. That'll def be different. But you make sense there with the logic.
 
#52
Count Bassie said:
I've been paying attention to the Barefaced 310T, from their 10CR loaded cabs. That seems to have the neighborhood of character I've been interested in lately, sound-wise. But I'm getting the point here, that's it's a whole new set of factors we're looking at for high performance. Pretty cool really.
Also, being able to use my Eden might be interesting. I like what it does at the volume it functions at, and it runs at 2 ohms, which it's apparently quite "happy" doing. That opens interesting doors...
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Great cabs. I have several BF cabs in different configurations. I would question whether or not you actually need a tweeter with the tens unless you do plenty of slapping, and even then they a little treble boost works wonders with those speakers
 
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#53
Tim1 said:
Great cabs. I have several BF cabs in different configurations. I would question whether or not you actually need a tweeter with the tens unless you do plenty of slapping, and even then they a little treble boost works wonders with those speakers
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I agree, the original 10 inch cabs didn't have a tweeter option for a reason: they sound great without tweeter, beautiful treble, no need for a tweeter.
I suppose Barefaced had to propose them as an option because a lot of clients (falsely) believe they need one, but if I was to buy a Three10, I wouldn't ask for a tweeter.
 
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gtirard said:
I agree, the original 10 inch cabs didn't have a tweeter option for a reason: they sound great without tweeter, beautiful treble, no need for a tweeter.
I suppose Barefaced had to propose them as an option because a lot of clients (falsely) believe they need one, but if I was to buy a Three10, I wouldn't ask for a tweeter.
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Maybe falsely, maybe not. There are imo plenty of players who need that HF extension, especially playing in a band mix context.
 
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agedhorse said:
Maybe falsely, maybe not. There are imo plenty of players who need that HF extension, especially playing in a band mix context.
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I see what you mean, but I think that some people draw false conclusion by extrapolation from the gear they know, and some of them may believe they *need* a tweeter, when in fact all the need is good high end and they ignore that Barefaced 10 inch cabs already have good high end even without the tweeter (same as people who believe that all 10 inch cabs sound "tight" and all 15 inch cabs are "deep but boomy" so they need to mix 1x15 + 4x15 in order to have a good sound)
 
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To assume that a tweeter IS needed or IS NOT needed missed the fact that there is a very wide range of different sounding 10" drivers/cabinets. It really depends on which cabinet and the personal requirements of each player.
 
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agedhorse said:
To assume that a tweeter IS needed or IS NOT needed missed the fact that there is a very wide range of different sounding 10" drivers/cabinets. It really depends on which cabinet and the personal requirements of each player.
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And as I discovered with the Subway 115 (and you explained to me), the tweeter carries more than just the highs. There is a lot of mid character that's lost once you start to turn it down.
 
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fauxtoe said:
And as I discovered with the Subway 115 (and you explained to me), the tweeter carries more than just the highs. There is a lot of mid character that's lost once you start to turn it down.
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I was only talking about Barefaced 10 inch cabs, not Subways. I agree with Agedhorse: it all depends on different cabs and user's need.
 
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