What cabs you allocate as a "full range" cabs, which can produce equally the lows, low mids, high mids, treble and sounds open.
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Double Bass List of full range cabs
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Are you wanting to amplify other than a DB? If not, then most of the higher-end cabs that are discussed here routinely (EA, AI, Bergantino, Acme, Epifani, and others) I would classify as "full range" in that they are quite capable of reinforcing the spectrum of the DB. There's just not much energy (and virtually none that matters) produced acoustically by the DB at quite high frequencies. Now, if you are looking to capture fingerboard noise, etc. then that's a different story. Even so, I have found that if and when I want to emphasize the higher end, a relatively small tweak of the tone-shaping circuitry on a quality amp does the trick. While some prefer cabs with tweeters, I do not (for a number of reasons).
As I've mentioned here many times, it is the cabinet/room interactions that will get you so, for me anyway, it's important to have useful and flexible tone controls coupled with a reasonably flat cabinet response.
When I hear "full range" I think of PA speakers and the like. Most of them can probably work quite well for DB with either a p/u or a mic and a suitable preamp/DI and EQ, assuming there are no major problems with the room, setup, or the signal chain starting at the bass itself.
But drurb is right. "Full range" for amplifying a DB is different in a sense than say for an orchestra, a big band, or a bluegrass group. The cabs he listed and those discussed a lot in this forum are probably more effective solutions for the musician and for the listener if the only thing you're going to amplify is your bass.
The Wizzy 10 is an interesting example kind of. The frequency response specs are 45Hz to 5.5KHz. Many people would look at those specs and say that's not considered full range. It looks like the roll off point for the highs is lower than specs you might typically see. But despite this I know you've read here how well that cab seems to work for DB for many people.
But drurb is right. "Full range" for amplifying a DB is different in a sense than say for an orchestra, a big band, or a bluegrass group. The cabs he listed and those discussed a lot in this forum are probably more effective solutions for the musician and for the listener if the only thing you're going to amplify is your bass.
The Wizzy 10 is an interesting example kind of. The frequency response specs are 45Hz to 5.5KHz. Many people would look at those specs and say that's not considered full range. It looks like the roll off point for the highs is lower than specs you might typically see. But despite this I know you've read here how well that cab seems to work for DB for many people.
Maybe not the "full range" things what I looking for, it seems least color or least scooped will be the key. Many people say EA cabs can do, but EA product not available in my country. What do you think about epifani UL-210?
Yeah I know what you are saying. All of the cabs discussed in this forum could be labelled as "full range" but they each just seem to have different strengths and weaknesses. I would think for the most part they all make a good sound.
Instead of a 2x10, I would think maybe two Epi UL-110s would be more modular, flexible, and portable. 8 ohms, so you could run them as a pair. 22 lbs each.
What other speakers are available to you? What about Glockenklang or Phil Jones? Or Accugroove?
I tried the Ul-110 at the shop (only with elbass yet), it's an amazing cab for the size, but for me a bit lacks of bottom, and I like to get a littlebit more volume. The portability is olso a consideration, but not at first. So a cab under 40lbs could work for me, but I don't like to go with 4x10. Two of Ul-110 will be the most practical disposal for me (one for small gigs two for big stages), but KJung told me the UL-210 has mutch more bottom than two UL-110. The other hi-end gear what available in my country is Aguilar, I tried at another shop an AG-500 head with the GS-410 cab, it was killer, maybe the best I ever tried, (very tight accurate lows with attack) but the head and olso the cab was very heavy.
Wow, okay. I've heard the UL-110 w/ upright and I thought it had a lot of bottom, like you said "for its size." This was w/ a very dark sounding bass and a B-Band p/u. So to me something w/ more low end than a pair of UL-110s, well, that's a lot of low end for DB. At least from the perspective of my current gigging situations. I may not be able to offer much help re: 2x10 and 4x10 cabs. A shame you can't get to try out a wider variety of gear.
Is Glockenklang an option, or did we cover that already?
P.S. Your upright solo video on MySpace is way cool. Holy mackerel. Get this man whatever speaker he wants.
Barcza, it appears you've been searching for a while now. I remember responding to this thread you created:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432591
Are you having trouble testing cabinets in Budapest due to availability or selection? Surely hearing the choices with your own ears is the best use of your time by now.
I have tried the UL-210 (series 2) you mentioned and thought it was absolutely superb. IMO, the 2x10 configuration is the absolute best mix of clarity, volume and range for DB and it will serve you well for BG. I think a 2x10 is the smallest cab I'd go with when there's a drummer in the ensemble.
My top 3 in order of preference:
1. EA NL-210
2. Epifani UL-210 (a bit more bottom than the NL-210, albeit somewhat artificial)
3. Glockenklang Duo 2x10 (finally tried one. Not quite as much bottom as the NL-210 but the same clarity)
Everything else pales in comparison to these choices.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432591
Are you having trouble testing cabinets in Budapest due to availability or selection? Surely hearing the choices with your own ears is the best use of your time by now.
I have tried the UL-210 (series 2) you mentioned and thought it was absolutely superb. IMO, the 2x10 configuration is the absolute best mix of clarity, volume and range for DB and it will serve you well for BG. I think a 2x10 is the smallest cab I'd go with when there's a drummer in the ensemble.
My top 3 in order of preference:
1. EA NL-210
2. Epifani UL-210 (a bit more bottom than the NL-210, albeit somewhat artificial)
3. Glockenklang Duo 2x10 (finally tried one. Not quite as much bottom as the NL-210 but the same clarity)
Everything else pales in comparison to these choices.
Oh and BTW, I too visited your MySpace page. I don't think there's a cabinet made that's good enough to amplify your amazing playing!
But, alas, you're still searching. I stand by my top 3. I really don't think there are better options available at the moment.
But, alas, you're still searching. I stand by my top 3. I really don't think there are better options available at the moment.
Thank you Bolo, I'm happy that you like my video. The Glockenklang gears must be very good, but olso no dealers in my country. The Duo 2x10 cab has a light version (33lbs). The nearest place to get Glock is in Austria, I like to try if I go there. Epifani and Aguilar are the most easy to get in my country, But Epifani dealer only has the 4x10, 3x10,1x10 on stock yet, I have to wait to try the 1x12 and the UL-210.
Thank you, you are very kind. You help me a lot, since EA and Glock not available in my country, it seems I will go for UL-210.
IMHO, I think the 1x12 works fine for very low volume (in the music store) but it will get very muddy at higher volumes at mid-sized to large performance venues with a drummer. At least that's been my experience countless times in the past. I think the UL-210 will meet your needs in a variety of situations.
Some people say the UL-112 sounds to colored for URB, the UL-110 a bit lacks of low end, so the UL-210 seems to be right on paper.
I tried a UL112 in the store and thought it sounded good. They also had an EA Wizzy 12 M-Line. Unfortunately for Epifani there is no comparison for DB.
If there's a truly full range cabinet I'm not aware of it.
I have a two cabinet, two channel Bag End system that includes an 18" ELF subwoofer and processor and a 2-10" coaxial. The frequency response goes well below 20Hz on out to 20kHz. This system is overkill for the upright and requires a different EQ setting than for Bass Guitar.
I have a two cabinet, two channel Bag End system that includes an 18" ELF subwoofer and processor and a 2-10" coaxial. The frequency response goes well below 20Hz on out to 20kHz. This system is overkill for the upright and requires a different EQ setting than for Bass Guitar.
Sorry I didn't explain well my needs as "full range", I dont need wide spectrum like 20hz-20khz. I need flat response without color beetwen approx. 45hz-16khz.
16 kHz?
What are you amplifying? If you are primarily interested in DB then, it's the other end to extend. That is, it would be best to have a cab with a nominal roll-off below about 40 Hz.
I need just the normal range of URB and EB ( don't need fingerboard noises), but more easy to cut frequencies than add what is not there.
The Epifani UL-210 works beetwen 40hz-16khz, my current cab (GK Neo 112) works beetwen 60Hz to 19 kHz, but sounds very scooped, not enough low end, lot of low mid, without high mid, and lot of ugly presence if I dont turn down the tweeter. I like to avoid this with my new afford.
The Epifani UL-210 works beetwen 40hz-16khz, my current cab (GK Neo 112) works beetwen 60Hz to 19 kHz, but sounds very scooped, not enough low end, lot of low mid, without high mid, and lot of ugly presence if I dont turn down the tweeter. I like to avoid this with my new afford.
