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Live performance - have analog effects pedals had their day?

#122
el murdoque said:
I myself hate the whole concept. of Nespresso.
-The fact that the coffee costs about 60 times as much as it'd cost of you bought it outside the capsules.
-The fact that these capsules wreck havok on our environment.
-The fact that a small pastic automatron where the user just has to press a button replaces a big iron machine that takes experience to operate.

Here comes the 'but':

I challenge you to a blind test.
Use a very good espresso machine operated by an experienced barista, something mediocre and a Nespresso.
It's kind of like the Kemper. More or less impossible to tell a difference.
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I understand many people can't tell the difference between nespresso and the real thing, but I hope it's not a stretch to imagine there are people who can. Easily. I'm not arguing the fact that somebody out there is making sad little coffee shots that taste like nespresso, (I've had baristas who do worse), but nespresso certainly is mediocre quality, no offence. But I'll drink it over no coffee, any time.
 
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#123
I always felt things were moving towards combining the two, like digital control over analog circuitry or true bypass loops with digital processing. In other areas of pro audio this seems to be the case just so that you can keep the reliability of analog gear with the flexibility of digital.
 
#124
Alex O said:
I always felt things were moving towards combining the two, like digital control over analog circuitry or true bypass loops with digital processing. In other areas of pro audio this seems to be the case just so that you can keep the reliability of analog gear with the flexibility of digital.
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Digital control over analogue was what Boss did with their ME5 series in about 1992!
 
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Medicine Man said:
I understand many people can't tell the difference between nespresso and the real thing, but I hope it's not a stretch to imagine there are people who can. Easily. I'm not arguing the fact that somebody out there is making sad little coffee shots that taste like nespresso, (I've had baristas who do worse), but nespresso certainly is mediocre quality, no offence. But I'll drink it over no coffee, any time.
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The proof of the pudding is in the eating, or rather double blind testing. Surprising results abound.
 
#128
Bassmike62 said:
My thought as well. The "analog vs digital" is not much of an issue for me. I prefer analog, but have no problem using digital if the pedal offers what I need (Digitech BSW being an example). The "dedicated pedal vs multi" is an interesting debate. I like having an almost infinite selection of effects, but setting and tweaking patches is a bit of a hassle and more important, in my limited experience, using a multi live is not as simple as using dedicated pedals. And in either case, no band I've played with in the last 10 years were into the bending-down-to-tweak-the-setttings-between-songs thing. The guitarists who did were always told to do it on their own time, not the band's time.
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Loved your post - particularly the last bit! If only my band life were so simple! :D
 
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FerK said:
I will gladly make one for you. Just tell me the parameters (what effects, what simulations, what bass line to play) and I'll jump on it tomorrow night. Should be fun. :)
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Alright if you've got a nice recording setup I'm happy to listen. My main point was I scanned through about 10 videos of the helix and was unimpressed with both the sounds and sound quality.
 
#133
-Asdfgh- said:
I've played with automating via a laptop (already in use for light an backing tracks, and I've experimented with it for mixing too), but the issue for me is the relative fragility of a laptop, per se, and I haven't built anything ruggedised.
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You always carry a backup.. I've sold them.. Buy something that meets your requirements..
 
#134
FerK said:
I can record from the Helix DIRECTLY into the computer. I would record with Logic Pro X. Just tell me what you want to hear.
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A nice distortion fuzz or overdrive, then a nice fuzz coupled with a wah, octave down, and anything else you want to throw in. Or you could just find me a good review on youtube. Convince me. So far I'm unconvinced, and I tried.
 
#135
I've never had a chance to test any of the more expensive multi effects, but for me the problem with the cheaper units like Zoom B3 have not been sound for live use. It is usability. Live I want a simple layout with every sound or effect behind a single footswitch.

I have no beef with digital sound. As a recording enthusiast/ hobbyist, I use digital effects all the time in my digital audio workstation. Most records made today are done in those no matter what music style it is. I am pretty sure many bassist dissing digital multi effects pedals, are quite happy with the sound that recording engineer made with digital vst in Pro Tools or other daw.

Still waiting for the multi that has an interface that I want, for a price I am willing to pay for it. Until that comes along I guess I keep using my mix of digital and analogue single pedals.
 
#136
Teijo K. said:
I've never had a chance to test any of the more expensive multi effects, but for me the problem with the cheaper units like Zoom B3 have not been sound for live use. It is usability. Live I want a simple layout with every sound or effect behind a single footswitch.
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How about one of these? (I had one, back in the day) :D

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The aforementioned TC Electronic Nova system gives you similar foot controls, and includes an analog drive channel, plus you can hook up an external foot switch.

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#138
The short answer is no.
Personally I thought multi fx units were a thing of the past. They are often confusing to use, limited in terms of tweaking the fx, and you are locked into that brand's version of what ever circuit. I have never heard a decent multi fx for bass. Pedals probably end up costing more and taking up more space, but they give far more options.
 
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Teijo K. said:
I've never had a chance to test any of the more expensive multi effects, but for me the problem with the cheaper units like Zoom B3 have not been sound for live use. It is usability. Live I want a simple layout with every sound or effect behind a single footswitch.

I have no beef with digital sound. As a recording enthusiast/ hobbyist, I use digital effects all the time in my digital audio workstation. Most records made today are done in those no matter what music style it is. I am pretty sure many bassist dissing digital multi effects pedals, are quite happy with the sound that recording engineer made with digital vst in Pro Tools or other daw.

Still waiting for the multi that has an interface that I want, for a price I am willing to pay for it. Until that comes along I guess I keep using my mix of digital and analogue single pedals.
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For me the total sound is a combination of individual ones, so as long as t he ability to easily select one of a variety of patches there, I am happy. My second multi was the Korg A5, Boss ME6B, 8B, then 6B again, Zoom 9150 with multiple pedal controller (5 buttons, i think), with a Korg G5 in the loop, a break from playing, and some studio only stuff, and then a Zoom B9, which can also control other units over midi. A B3n in a B9 package would be perfect.

I dont find multis hard to use, and often the stomp models have as many, or even more ootions for control than the original
 

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