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Looking for a clean, lightweight amp/cab

Mar 30, 2023
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I'm looking for a clean-sounding setup that is lightweight, reliable and at least 700 watts. I'd like to pay $1,100 for the head and pair it with a 2x10 of the same brand, maybe a 1x12?

I was thinking the Aguilar AG700 with a SL cabinet, but I've not followed what happened since Korg acquired them a few years back.

There's also the GK 800 Legacy, which fits the bill, but to me screams 80s rock.

Markbass, maybe, but there are so many I don't know where to start.

Not a fan of Ampeg stuff (besides the B15, but not looking for that sound right now), but I haven't tried the new Ventura series.

I've had the Mesa Boogie WD800. Loved everything about it but the sound.

Any suggestions? Thanks!
 
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Despite the thread title, it sounds like you want a lightweight amp, but you don’t care if the cabinet is?

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What are some amps or cabs you’ve used before that you liked?

What don’t you like about the sound of the WD800? Any chance you could try out a regular D800 or a TT800?
Eden WT800 with Eden 4x10
I liked the sound, but it was heavy.

GK 700RBii with GK 1x12
It was fine. I was never entirely satisfied, though. I think it was something in the high mids that was too prominent, maybe? Maybe I could've dialled it down. Or maybe it was the 1x12. Willing to give GK another chance.

Various Ampeg SVTs with 4 and 8x10
Just no.

Mesa WD800 with Mesa 1x15 and 2x10
The input control was the issue. I feel like I could never get it a clean-enough tone for my taste. Have not tried any other Mesa Subway amps.

Aguilar Tone Hammer with I want to say Aguilar 1x12?
Hate how the drive and gain knobs work, never clean enough and sounds "boxy," for the lack of a better word. I tried the AG briefly, I feel like it had a bit of that boxiness to it, but I was good, IIRC.

Fender ACB 50
Not a U2 fan, but this amp sounds great. No idea if it's loud enough (50 watts, tube pre and power), and too heavy.

Bergantino HP2 with headphones out
By far the best amp I've ever played, but it's too expensive.

Markbass something... it was fine. Nothing amazing, but not bad.

Various others that did not impress me much (Peavey, Orange, Boss Katana, Dark Glass)

Despite the thread title, it sounds like you want a lightweight amp, but you don’t care if the cabinet is?

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Yes, I want a lightweight cabinet too. I'm just focusing on the amp and figure I'll just get the lightweight 2x10 by the same brand. although maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way?
 
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I think a neutral-ish cab capable of your needed SPL should be the first step (Mesa Subway, Genzler Bass Array, Barefaced 12”, fearful/nearful) then figure out what head you like with it. Used will always give more bang for your buck. Plenty of great heads (Mesa, Genzler, Genz Benz etc) out there in all flavors. And with a neutral cab you can really put them to the test and figure out which one has the sound and features you’re looking for.
 
I'm looking for a clean-sounding setup that is lightweight, reliable and at least 700 watts. I'd like to pay $1,100 for the head and pair it with a 2x10 of the same brand, maybe a 1x12?

I was thinking the Aguilar AG700 with a SL cabinet, but I've not followed what happened since Korg acquired them a few years back.

There's also the GK 800 Legacy, which fits the bill, but to me screams 80s rock.

Markbass, maybe, but there are so many I don't know where to start.

Not a fan of Ampeg stuff (besides the B15, but not looking for that sound right now), but I haven't tried the new Ventura series.

I've had the Mesa Boogie WD800. Loved everything about it but the sound.

Any suggestions? Thanks!
Bergantino Forte D and there’s one in the classifieds.
 
I haven’t tried them but I get the impression the Trickfish head could be in the realm of ultra clean amps. I’d consider pairing something like that with a Barefaced Big Baby for a studio monitor FRFR experience. The Super Compact would be a bit smaller and easier to manage and probably still plenty loud (I just prefer the BB to the SC based on my experience).
 
1) Combo
Rumble 800 combo. Yeah, all knobs at 12 o'clock has some color, but you can tweak it quite well.

It has NEO 2x10 speakers, the whole thing weighs 28 pounds. Has 1/4 power switch for home use as well. Significantly cheaper than your budget. Add another cab for the full 800W.

2) Head + Cabs
Quilter Bass Block V803, pairs well with anything.

Just-out Seymour Duncan amp getting good reviews as well.
 
I haven’t tried them but I get the impression the Trickfish head could be in the realm of ultra clean amps. I’d consider pairing something like that with a Barefaced Big Baby for a studio monitor FRFR experience. The Super Compact would be a bit smaller and easier to manage and probably still plenty loud (I just prefer the BB to the SC based on my experience).

This combination would certainly be hard to beat in terms of volume per lbs, size, weight and clean output. You would probably need to get a low gain drive pedal because the output is too clean.

I've never played the combination, but know the components well enough to predict that it's gonna be crystal clear and as loud as you dare, while being a one hand carry. My personal perception of "loud" comes from playing in amateur metal, sludge and doom bands - so it's a bit off.
When I say "It was loud there", many others have turned on the spot and they are still running from the health hazard.
 
Maybe you could check out some GR Bass.
GR Bass seem to do very nice and transparent stuff. And super light.

Me personally, I fell in love with the Mark Bass sound some years ago: I have a little mark head + 1x12 + 4x10 + combo 121p
With this I can cover all the bases (bust 99.99% of the times the only ones to get in the car are the combo+1x12)

PS: please consider that being Italian, I maybe biased a little ;)
 
Yes, I want a lightweight cabinet too. I'm just focusing on the amp and figure I'll just get the lightweight 2x10 by the same brand. although maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way?
IMHO the cab is more important, allocate as much of your budget to the cab. I went with Berg cabs CN112 and CN210 (a few years back) and the Berg heads were not out yet so I use a TH500. Yes, the TH can be clean by running the Gain all the way off and then adjusting the Drive which is actually a variable hpf.
 
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Why limit yourself to cabinets made by the same manufacturer as the head you chose? "Clean sounding" would seem to say neutral. I don't think of Aguilar as neutral. It is more Ampeg-ish than most other brands, in my opinion. I have a TH500 paired with a LDS 15/6/1. You don't mention much about application, where and what you play. I find a single 2x10" is the minimum. A 1x12" can work in gentler situations, but if I am spending money, I like to have some headroom. Obviously, if you play different rigs, that helps. I had a Markbass NY122 that I just didn't like. When I played through a buddy's Markbass 102, it was awesome. Anyway, good luck.
 
GK NeoIV cabs are light, loud, and - I find with my pair of 1x12’s - quite transparent and clean. What I put in is what I get out. I really dig mine.
I run the same cabs with a Mesa Subway D350 head with similar results, can’t complain of anything at all.

For a deeper bass and a tad sweeter sound, I would have gone with two Darkglass 112 cabs but they seemed to be a bit more fragile for frequent transportation.

For a better kit all in all, the Subway cabs would have been great but too heavy for my lower back.

If I was shopping today, I’d also give a try to GR Bass and the new light weight Markbass cabs with the black woofer, not the yellow one.
 
A third vote for getting a Barefaced cab. These can improve your sound a lot regardless of the amp (wider frequency spectrum, better projection, and more accurate to the amp). Listen to their demos to get a feel for the difference between their 210s and 112s. The great thing is that the Barefaced cabs are so loud that you won't need to drive your Mesa so hard, and you might be able to coax a cleaner sound from it.
 
I haven’t tried them but I get the impression the Trickfish head could be in the realm of ultra clean amps. I’d consider pairing something like that with a Barefaced Big Baby for a studio monitor FRFR experience. The Super Compact would be a bit smaller and easier to manage and probably still plenty loud (I just prefer the BB to the SC based on my experience).
Trickfish.
I looked at Trickfish. The 1K is out of my price range, but I'm not sure 500 watts is enough. It probably is, but I would rather get 700 just to be safe than sorry. Their 2x10 cab is also a heavier than others I've looked at by 20 lbs.

1) Combo
Rumble 800 combo. Yeah, all knobs at 12 o'clock has some color, but you can tweak it quite well.

It has NEO 2x10 speakers, the whole thing weighs 28 pounds. Has 1/4 power switch for home use as well. Significantly cheaper than your budget. Add another cab for the full 800W.

2) Head + Cabs
Quilter Bass Block V803, pairs well with anything.

Just-out Seymour Duncan amp getting good reviews as well.
The Seymour sounds interesting, but TalkBass, as everyone else, loves new shiny products before turning on them a couple of years down the line. Whenever you asked a question here around 2010 the answer was MarkBass. Then it was Aguilar. Now it's Mesa. There are still some people using MarkBass and Aguilar, but they don't get the universal praise they once did. I skimmed through the Fender ACB 50 thread. Glowing reviews at first, then not so good, mixed.

IMHO the cab is more important, allocate as much of your budget to the cab. I went with Berg cabs CN112 and CN210 (a few years back) and the Berg heads were not out yet so I use a TH500. Yes, the TH can be clean by running the Gain all the way off and then adjusting the Drive which is actually a variable hpf.
Why limit yourself to cabinets made by the same manufacturer as the head you chose? "Clean sounding" would seem to say neutral. I don't think of Aguilar as neutral. It is more Ampeg-ish than most other brands, in my opinion. I have a TH500 paired with a LDS 15/6/1. You don't mention much about application, where and what you play. I find a single 2x10" is the minimum. A 1x12" can work in gentler situations, but if I am spending money, I like to have some headroom. Obviously, if you play different rigs, that helps. I had a Markbass NY122 that I just didn't like. When I played through a buddy's Markbass 102, it was awesome. Anyway, good luck.
I plan to allocate more to the cab than the amp, actually. I want the same manufacturer because not doing so would make me uneasy, although I suppose I'd be fine if I got a Barefaced since they don't make amps. The other reason is that trying different amps with different cabs is hard to do (I could maybe try GK, Mesa and MarkBass in the same store, but not so much the others, although if I bought a Barefaced I could test it in stores), and that being the case, I assume, maybe I'm wrong, that I have a better chance of getting a great-sounding pair if the brands match. For example, I'll assume Aguilar tweaked its cabs to sound good with their amps. Maybe they haven't spent much time making sure they sound good with a MarkBass.

I agree the TH similar-ish to Ampeg, but I didn't think the AG did?

I mainly plan to bring from and to a rehearsal studio on weekly basis that includes two flights of stairs, hence why it needs to be light. It's an alternative rock band (think Arctic Monkeys) with two guitars. I will also be gigging with the band. The other band is a top-40 from the 70s to today, so everything from classic rock to modern pop. I don't need the amp at rehearsal with this band, but will need it to gig.
 
The great thing about Barefaced is that it's accurate to the amp, down to the smallest detail, so although it's not voiced to a particular amp, it should give a very accurate representation of its sound. Basically, the Barefaced doesn't have too much sound baked in, just good volume, projection, and recreation of YOUR playing.
 

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