Low-cost DIY practice/coffeehouse tweeterless 110 [long]

[Actuary X]

I haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if this has already been addressed. With current prices on Parts Express, I could put this together for $150 roughly (throwing in a speaker grill etc). Meanwhile I could get an Eden EX110 off eBay for $180.

Does this project have any advantage over the Eden? Is this a fair comparison?

 

[LennyJ]

Hey Duke, I have a DELTA LITE II 2510 laying around - might that work on this little cabinet.

Lenny

 

[dustybottoms]

Hey Duke, I have a DELTA LITE II 2510 laying around - might that work on this little cabinet.

Lenny

That's what I have in mine. It works GREAT! I asked the same question earlier in the thread. Dig back a bit and he explains to me the answer to your question.

 

[LennyJ]

Thanks DB for the info - I will look back

LJ

 

[Downunderwonder]

Don't trade out your Deltalite 2510; that's actually a slightly more capable woofer in terms of excursion and thermal limits (not that you'll be taxing the thermal limits in a bass guitar application, but greater thermal capacity = less compression at the end of the night if you have to push it hard). I have a slight preference for the response curve of the S2010 for bass guitar, but imo there's not nearly enough difference to justify buying a new woofer.

Good to go.

 

[DukeLeJeune]

Thank you very much for finding and posting that, Downunderwonder.

Actuary X, I don't know diddly about the Eden EX110 so can't begin to make a comparison.

 

[fnordlyone]

Thank you very much for finding and posting that, Downunderwonder.

Actuary X, I don't know diddly about the Eden EX110 so can't begin to make a comparison.

Hey Duke! You're friendly neighborhood fnord here. Richard, LA is a little muggy/feels like a rain forest I imagine (that's the only thing worse I can imagine). Still love the DCML 212

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I've got a CL trout on the line with a $50
KAPPA Pro-10A. Would this play nice with this cab design? Is the head worth grabbing anyway?
f!

 

[skyclmbr]

After a very long delay, I have finally made sound go through my TB110+ (+ because it's based on Duke's custom dimensions). It sounds good! Except I don't really have much to compare it to, just a Fender Rumble amp, the small one that comes with those amp+bass combos in Costco. I am having a bit of difficulty determining whether it's rattling at all or if that's just the distortion from the preamp. I'm running it from a frankenamp that I built using a Tech 21 VT bass pedal and a 2x100watt Class-D power amp from Parts Express.

Question, for damping foam on the inside, do I have to buy special foam, or will any open cell foam do? Are there any hardware store solutions? Second question, is the appropriate way to suss out anything that needs to be fixed via damping foam to run the preamp at full clean volume and see if I hear any rattles, or boxy noise?

Thanks!
Bryan

 

[fnordlyone]

After a very long delay, I have finally made sound go through my TB110+ (+ because it's based on Duke's custom dimensions). It sounds good! Except I don't really have much to compare it to, just a Fender Rumble amp, the small one that comes with those amp+bass combos in Costco. I am having a bit of difficulty determining whether it's rattling at all or if that's just the distortion from the preamp. I'm running it from a frankenamp that I built using a Tech 21 VT bass pedal and a 2x100watt Class-D power amp from Parts Express.

Question, for damping foam on the inside, do I have to buy special foam, or will any open cell foam do? Are there any hardware store solutions? Second question, is the appropriate way to suss out anything that needs to be fixed via damping foam to run the preamp at full clean volume and see if I hear any rattles, or boxy noise?

Thanks!
Bryan

Duke recommended to me the Walmart open foam that one might put above an old mattress for more comfort. Everywhere and cheap. I used a spray on adhesive from Lowes. Not sure I understand your 2nd question, but nothing should rattle with or without the foam. If something is rattling then it is the cab's shoddy build or where the screws hold the speaker. Crank it up.
fnord!

 

[pie_man_25]

Question, would one of these, probably with a deltalite (I'm considering building some Jack 10s over the next summer) be able to keep up with a heavy rock band in a practice environment? I'm getting a bit tired of lugging my 410 everywhere, though it IS light for its size.

 

[MarkA]

Question, would one of these, probably with a deltalite (I'm considering building some Jack 10s over the next summer) be able to keep up with a heavy rock band in a practice environment? I'm getting a bit tired of lugging my 410 everywhere, though it IS light for its size.

Everything's relative, including what consitutes "heavy", but that sounds like a lot to ask of a single 10" cab with bass guitar. Consider that you're going from four speakers that size to presumably one. If you EQ it a certain way, angle it up, and just use it as a monitor, or if you guys don't practice all that loud, maybe... two would be more realistic, but you'd still be going down in cone area from your 410. I'd ask yourself how you're using your 410 in practice now -- is it doing a decent amount of work? Cruising along in the middle of its powerband? Barely idling? That might give you insight into how a smaller rig would do. I have a friend who often gigs (I know you're talking about practice) with a Mesa 210 and sounds good doing it -- if stage volume is reasonable, it can be done. In louder situations, he puts another cab underneath.

I've never seen or played this cab -- just basing my comments on 10s in general.

 

[LennyJ]

I just got one (Nutdog sold me his) and now I have practiced with it twice and one of these is ok for practice. Practice is for putting together the set list of songs, not to prove you can be a "loud rock star".

You should not even be learning your part at practice, do that at home and put together at practice. I am lucky and my whole band feel this way for practice.

I used to play with a band that the guitar players started out a decent volume then they went to stage volume for practice - at that point I would go home.

But to your original question - YES if you at there to practice.

 

[pie_man_25]

Everything's relative, including what consitutes "heavy", but that sounds like a lot to ask of a single 10" cab with bass guitar. Consider that you're going from four speakers that size to presumably one. If you EQ it a certain way, angle it up, and just use it as a monitor, or if you guys don't practice all that loud, maybe... two would be more realistic, but you'd still be going down in cone area from your 410. I'd ask yourself how you're using your 410 in practice now -- is it doing a decent amount of work? Cruising along in the middle of its powerband? Barely idling? That might give you insight into how a smaller rig would do. I have a friend who often gigs (I know you're talking about practice) with a Mesa 210 and sounds good doing it -- if stage volume is reasonable, it can be done. In louder situations, he puts another cab underneath.

I've never seen or played this cab -- just basing my comments on 10s in general.

Fair enough, sometimes I use a solid state guitar amp with the bass turned all the way down, it's a 210 combo with 100 watts of power, so not all that big. It gets through loud enough, and it certainly does the job, I just want to be able to sound a bit better (eg. with a bit of low end) while doing it. Our new jam space is less restrictive on size, but I can easily manage backing the thing against a wall and pointing it towards my ears, or putting it onto a chair etc... Practice is loud enough for me to use ear plugs every time, but when I do bring my 410, it's certainly not being used to its fullest extent.

edit: I forgot to mention, the guitar combo, when I would play it, would be in the middle of the room, pointing towards the drummer, and I could still hear it five feet directly to the right of it (our previous jam space was fairly crammed).

 

[will33]

Fair enough, sometimes I use a solid state guitar amp with the bass turned all the way down, it's a 210 combo with 100 watts of power, so not all that big. It gets through loud enough, and it certainly does the job, I just want to be able to sound a bit better (eg. with a bit of low end) while doing it. Our new jam space is less restrictive on size, but I can easily manage backing the thing against a wall and pointing it towards my ears, or putting it onto a chair etc... Practice is loud enough for me to use ear plugs every time, but when I do bring my 410, it's certainly not being used to its fullest extent.

edit: I forgot to mention, the guitar combo, when I would play it, would be in the middle of the room, pointing towards the drummer, and I could still hear it five feet directly to the right of it (our previous jam space was fairly crammed).

Seems a bit contradictory here not having heard your practices for myself. That being "loud enough to wear earplugs", and "guitar amp with the bass knob off".

Unless you're talking about aggressive/piercing mids and highs with basically little or no lowend.

Being that your 410 has a good bit more to give at your rehearsal volume, I'll say 2 of these would surely do it. One "might".

 

[pie_man_25]

Seems a bit contradictory here not having heard your practices for myself. That being "loud enough to wear earplugs", and "guitar amp with the bass knob off".

Unless you're talking about aggressive/piercing mids and highs with basically little or no lowend.

Being that your 410 has a good bit more to give at your rehearsal volume, I'll say 2 of these would surely do it. One "might".

aggressive mids is basically how I've been EQ-ing during practice at the moment, I don't want to blow that amp up, so I just cut through with mids, it's easy with a jazz bass when plucking closer to the bridge. That said, I'd really like to have less of a burpy mid-midrange, and more low-mids, if I can cut it with a smaller 110 or 210, even though the new practice space can house my 410 pretty easily, I'd much rather do that.

 

[will33]

Deltalite can put out a helluva lotta noise for a 110. Seeing as you say taking advantage of some wall loading, elevation, etc., I'd try it, seeing as the rest of the build is fairly inexpensive. You might like it. If it's just not enough, you're one driver closer to your Jack, which certainly will do it.

If you're used to using all mids in a guitar rig to cut through, a Deltalite in one of these cabs can still do that, but give you some lows and sound more "like a bass" while doing it.

 

[pie_man_25]

yeah, school has just started up again, and I don't really have the time to scratch-build a jack, but this seems do-able, which is mostly why I'm asking. I know a jack 10 could do the job, but the work is a bit too involved at the moment. I've checked out the Traynor small-block 110, which has the basslite driver or something fairly similar to it, and it puts out more noise (though not enough top-end for me) than I thought it would, but at 400 bucks, I think I'll cheap out and figure out a good little box for a deltalite.

 

[Scottkarch]

Do the dimensions/proportions matter or is it just the internal volume of cabinets? I'm wondering if I made a taller but shallower cabinet if that world work the same. Or a wedge / kickback shape.

I'm looking for a way to either get the speaker up bearer my head or pointed at my head.

 

[LennyJ]

Well I just played my second gig with just one of these cabinets. Attached is a pic, this one I bought of TB and I have updated to the 2510 speaker and put new carpet on it.

And now in the process of building one from scratch. I will have my first gig in a few weeks.

 

[Scottkarch]

Well I just played my second gig with just one of these cabinets. Attached is a pic, this one I bought of TB and I have updated to the 2510 speaker and put new carpet on it.

And now in the process of building one from scratch. I will have my first gig in a few weeks.

how's the weight difference?