So where did you get the speaker box "in the picture". I guess that wasn't the 28usd one right?
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Low-cost DIY practice/coffeehouse tweeterless 110 [long]
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@bnolsen Yes, $28 shipped on eBay. The seller was vm innovations I think. If you search for Q-Power it will come up. I had it in about 3 days too.
Here ya go:
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They have them all hovering around the same price- that must be the $30 "deluxe" model... ;-)
The speaker is this:
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Grill was $6 on eBay, handle and feet came from a kustom monitor that was the cabinet I got for the speaker originally but didn't work too well. Corners were on eBay, 16 for $10 shipped, and just yesterday I got the speakon dish for 2 speakon connectors so I installed that (didn't even lose any fingers cutting the hole!).
Someday maybe I'll have someone make a cabinet from plywood with these dimensions, but this is working really well for now.
If someone buys my kickback maybe I'll build another for the rare gig where I'd need 2...
Here ya go:
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They have them all hovering around the same price- that must be the $30 "deluxe" model... ;-)
The speaker is this:
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Grill was $6 on eBay, handle and feet came from a kustom monitor that was the cabinet I got for the speaker originally but didn't work too well. Corners were on eBay, 16 for $10 shipped, and just yesterday I got the speakon dish for 2 speakon connectors so I installed that (didn't even lose any fingers cutting the hole!).
Someday maybe I'll have someone make a cabinet from plywood with these dimensions, but this is working really well for now.
If someone buys my kickback maybe I'll build another for the rare gig where I'd need 2...
@mrufino1 thx in triplicate. just an aside but GC has the gk mb200 amp on sale for 249 until may 27th.
Ha! Sorry about the triple post...site wasn't working correctly before. I'm happy with the TC head, even though it's TWICE the weight of the mb200 
I hear good things about that one though.
Here's a badly lit video I took this morning of my homemade uke bass (just finished it at 3am), through tc bh250 and the tb110 and hartke kickback 12 cabs. The 110 sounds great! As does the uke bass, which is surprising given that it's hacked together from a kids' first act acoustic.
I hear good things about that one though.
Here's a badly lit video I took this morning of my homemade uke bass (just finished it at 3am), through tc bh250 and the tb110 and hartke kickback 12 cabs. The 110 sounds great! As does the uke bass, which is surprising given that it's hacked together from a kids' first act acoustic.
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Ha! Sorry about the triple post...site wasn't working correctly before. I'm happy with the TC head, even though it's TWICE the weight of the mb200
I hear good things about that one though.
Here's a badly lit video I took this morning of my homemade uke bass (just finished it at 3am), through tc bh250 and the tb110 and hartke kickback 12 cabs. The 110 sounds great! As does the uke bass, which is surprising given that it's hacked together from a kids' first act acoustic.
Very cool uke bass
Hi TB'ers. I've noticed a big increase in discussion about light/loud cabs, recntly another TB'er and I both posted threads about small/loud cabs.
As @DukeLeJeune posted this fine project for a 10" DIY cab, I'm hoping to resurrect to see if any of the particpants can post what they built as a result.....
As @DukeLeJeune posted this fine project for a 10" DIY cab, I'm hoping to resurrect to see if any of the particpants can post what they built as a result.....
OK, I've built two of them. They work as designed.
I was playing drums on a gig in a small bar (Nye's in NE Minneapolis) and I brought the pair to be coupled with my Shuttle 6.0. The bassist has been a friend of mine for most of my adult life. He had his own rig in is trunk in case he needed it. We were playing about as quietly as that band gets, which was loud according to the bar staff, but quiet by our standards. The guitarists play small 1x12 combo amps, none of the instruments are mic'd. I was not hitting at all hard on the drums - pretty darned quiet.
I had instructed the bassist that if he as he needed volume, turn up, but if he heard it distorting turn down the bass frequencies. He said it was loud enough but barely. When I plugged in the rig the next morning the tone was (of course) awful. That was what it took to get through the night with it.
I've since decided that even under the best of conditions I'm not terribly fond of the sound of the S2010. I've got the parts for the notch filters that Duke posted near the top of this thread and I'll give that a try.
I was hoping that these cabs would do more for me. The 10" speaker that I really like is the Eminence BP102, but it's got a heavy magnet and is inefficient and isn't super capable of sucking down watts. You also want to have a mid picking it up at a fairly low frequency. Maybe a 4x10 (or more likely a pair of 2x10's) would be great for bass in a bar band. Each 2x10 would be heavy, but fairly small and capable of realistically handling 400 watts, great low end extension but probably not loud enough on its own to work in a moderate rock band setting. A pair driven by an 800 watt amp would probably be great.
I have a 1x10 BP102 four ohm cab that I will be playing through at my church gig in about an hour and a half. It never ceases to make me smile, but I don't need to get that loud. My MB200 is more than enough with that rig at that gig.
The cab(s) that I'm currently most interested in are old news: Duke's Thunderchild and the fEarful 12. I'm curious if a single of either of them driven by a 800 - 900 watt amp is loud enough for a moderate rock band (as described, unmic'd instruments, guitarists through 1x12 combos and a drummer who works within that context to find a musical balance).
KO
I was playing drums on a gig in a small bar (Nye's in NE Minneapolis) and I brought the pair to be coupled with my Shuttle 6.0. The bassist has been a friend of mine for most of my adult life. He had his own rig in is trunk in case he needed it. We were playing about as quietly as that band gets, which was loud according to the bar staff, but quiet by our standards. The guitarists play small 1x12 combo amps, none of the instruments are mic'd. I was not hitting at all hard on the drums - pretty darned quiet.
I had instructed the bassist that if he as he needed volume, turn up, but if he heard it distorting turn down the bass frequencies. He said it was loud enough but barely. When I plugged in the rig the next morning the tone was (of course) awful. That was what it took to get through the night with it.
I've since decided that even under the best of conditions I'm not terribly fond of the sound of the S2010. I've got the parts for the notch filters that Duke posted near the top of this thread and I'll give that a try.
I was hoping that these cabs would do more for me. The 10" speaker that I really like is the Eminence BP102, but it's got a heavy magnet and is inefficient and isn't super capable of sucking down watts. You also want to have a mid picking it up at a fairly low frequency. Maybe a 4x10 (or more likely a pair of 2x10's) would be great for bass in a bar band. Each 2x10 would be heavy, but fairly small and capable of realistically handling 400 watts, great low end extension but probably not loud enough on its own to work in a moderate rock band setting. A pair driven by an 800 watt amp would probably be great.
I have a 1x10 BP102 four ohm cab that I will be playing through at my church gig in about an hour and a half. It never ceases to make me smile, but I don't need to get that loud. My MB200 is more than enough with that rig at that gig.
The cab(s) that I'm currently most interested in are old news: Duke's Thunderchild and the fEarful 12. I'm curious if a single of either of them driven by a 800 - 900 watt amp is loud enough for a moderate rock band (as described, unmic'd instruments, guitarists through 1x12 combos and a drummer who works within that context to find a musical balance).
KO
i push a fearful 12/6 with an acoustic image focus 3 rated at 450 watts into 8 ohms. this has been my go-to setup for years and rarely have i needed more. whenever the gig got too big for this rig, there was always professional f.o.h. support.
i also built three of the coffeehouse cabs, and they work fine individually for practice and low-volume rehearsals. i gigged onstage with all three of them a couple of times as my amp is two-ohm stable, and the cabs worked just fine. however, i prefer the fearful sound.
i also built three of the coffeehouse cabs, and they work fine individually for practice and low-volume rehearsals. i gigged onstage with all three of them a couple of times as my amp is two-ohm stable, and the cabs worked just fine. however, i prefer the fearful sound.
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Late to the party and have read approx. every other page.
I'm interested in the original intent of buying some parts and assembling a 1x10 for approx. $125.
From what I can tell, there is not as easy a way to build a 1x12 that sounds as good.
Assuming the 1x12 isn't so great what is the consensus of using the 1x10 Parts Express box vs. the eBay enclosure?
Also, which speaker is prefered?
TIA
I'm interested in the original intent of buying some parts and assembling a 1x10 for approx. $125.
From what I can tell, there is not as easy a way to build a 1x12 that sounds as good.
Assuming the 1x12 isn't so great what is the consensus of using the 1x10 Parts Express box vs. the eBay enclosure?
Also, which speaker is prefered?
TIA
With mrufino1's driver the whole shebang should cost just upwards of 80usd. Considering the sad reports on the s2010 it's probably okay to go with the "lesser" driver.
The driver is still going strong after many gigs. I think the cabinet sprung a leak on the last gig though. The next few weeks are slow for gigs, so I'll probably see if I can caulk the inside. I love this cabinet though, very portable and sounds great for very little money.
It was definitely around $80 all told, weighs about 21/ 22 pounds and very easy to carry.
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I wouldn't recommend 800-900 watts long-term into any of my 112 cabs, including the new "version 3" Thunderchild 112 that uses the 550 watt 4-ohm version of the Kappalite 3012LF. Damage from overheating tends to be cumulative, so the life of the woofer would be shortened at best. You can use an 800-900 watt amp, just don't use all of it!
By the last song of a loud set, the motor of a woofer that's been pushed hard can heat up enough for you to lose 3 dB of efficiency. So you goose the volume control on your amp and nothing much happens. The tendency is to blame the amp and vow to bring a bigger one to the next gig, but it's not the amp's failing - it's the speaker's. Then after the break you play again and wow it seems like your amp has come back to life. Well it's because your woofer's magnet has had a chance to cool down. So the answer would be to bring more cab, not more amp, to the next such gig.
I've looked into "kilowatt-class" 12-inch woofers (which calls for a 4" voice coil), and those that qualify pay such a penalty in efficiency that there's no net gain in SPL. Imo stepping up to a 115 would be a better way to gain another 3 dB or so in SPL.
I had the same problem as you are.
I can tell you go to the 2510's it is like night and day. Yes it costs more but the improvement is worth the extra money.
Thanks Duke. The amp I have in mind (I haven't bought it or a cab yet) is the GK MB800. I'm just thinking that if I'm going to buy a bigger MB amp than the two MB200's I have, I may as well get the bigger one. This is really a solution looking for a problem. All of my louder gigs are me on drums. I tend to play bass on quieter stuff.
I had a Shuttle 6.0 and a Neox 212T, which was pretty awesome. I got sick of looking at the cab never getting used so I sold it to a friend. After I got the first MB200 I had no need for the Shuttle, so I let it go as well.
At the end of last year I got a really nice five string Fender Am Std P-Bass. I'd sort of like to find a Mini Rig of Doom and a rock band.
Anyway, a decade of playing in a quieter church band has taught me various strategies for being able to hear myself and be happy yet not make my band mates unhappy. I'm pretty good about not looking for 11 on the volume knob.
KO
Nice looking cabinet! What was your inspiration for the design? Can you tell a little about how you use it and it's capabilities? Thanks!
I'm quite pleased with the S2010. It's peaked high end helps cut through a mix nicely, and can be EQ'ed out for practice or acoustic gigs. I use two of them stacked - helps a lot for being able to hear them. At under 20 lbs each, they are an easy carry. They pack a lot of punch in a small, light package.
I did not use the store bought cabinets, they are not made from wood they are that pressed board stuff. I made mine from real wood, I took one of the pressed board cabinets and made mine from those dimensions.
I built a frame to go around the front of the cabinet to make room to put metal grills instead of the speaker covers.
I got the idea from someone else at the beginning of the posts. And as I said I used the 2510's not the 2010's.
With both cabinets and a Lil Mark amp I have played some local clubs in my area. And with one cabinet I play my church gig. Never had a problem........
From you name here on Talk Bass 0 do you live in Alaska - just wondering I was born on Kodiak Island.
Hope this helps.
LennyJ
Thanks @LennyJ ! Yes, I am born Alaska Native living most of my life in Sitka! Hey back to Alaskan!
Question: How did you determine the dimensions? I'm thinking, I would like to build one of those for kicks... I think what I would do different is build the cab 1 inch bigger in depth, then use that for the wood grill frame.
BTW Nice looking cab!
when i built mine, i guesstimated...i used the dimensions from the box on the parts express website and built one with a matching interior and port volume. i had to make a small adjustment in dimensions since the thicknesses of the walls were different. it worked well enough. mine look ugly, though.
Thanks @LennyJ ! Yes, I am born Alaska Native living most of my life in Sitka! Hey back to Alaskan!
Question: How did you determine the dimensions? I'm thinking, I would like to build one of those for kicks... I think what I would do different is build the cab 1 inch bigger in depth, then use that for the wood grill frame.
BTW Nice looking cab!
I bought one (a DIY10) from a friend that was built like the post said to even with the 2010. I then asked Duke about the 2510 and he said it would work.
I took the original apart and measured the cabinet, then built one my self, the frame on the front for the grille was a after thought. As long as you keep the volume of space in the cabinet the same you will be ok.
Actually, I have 2 more boxes built. But probably will not finish them. I am cutting back and only doing my Church playing. My knees need replacing and for me and you - I was born up there before it became a state - so getting to old for this stuff these days.
