It's not him - I think Certain has other income streams besides the bass guitar thing. A possible explanation for certain behaviors.
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Luthier with terrible attitude
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It's not him - I think Certain has other income streams besides the bass guitar thing. A possible explanation for certain behaviors.
Yeah dave is a fantastic player for sure. He has definitely dropped the "who have you played with" card a bunch of times
Ya, really. If companies only sold to pros, nobody could stay in business. People are dopey sometimes.
Got that right... great pro's get the crap for free, then all the hacks buy the signature bass... that's the point right?
It kind of amazes me how far people come just to screw themselves over politically. Like how long it must take to learn to build basses from scratch, and do it well. Then all the money you have to invest in the tools, and work space. THEN all the "small business management 101" book learning.... Just to throw it all out the window by being an asshat!
Not all his dogs are barking if he's gonna defenestrate his whole career like that.
Not all his dogs are barking if he's gonna defenestrate his whole career like that.
Why even sell his basses to "us" the un-professional hobbyists then (up to eleven times)? So many questions...
I'm guessing mentioning a name would break some kind of rule and make things even more dramatic but I'd like to know who this guy is. Doesn't sound like I would want to do business with someone like this.
I'm guessing mentioning a name would break some kind of rule and make things even more dramatic but I'd like to know who this guy is. Doesn't sound like I would want to do business with someone like this.
Not everyone understands the rule of "saying nothing but positive things" and the positive aspects that has in virtually every facet of life. Business, love, career, etc...
And if they haven't learned by adulthood, they ain't likely to listen now. Some people just think they gotta whine and bitch and gossip.
And if they haven't learned by adulthood, they ain't likely to listen now. Some people just think they gotta whine and bitch and gossip.
EdwardofHuncote
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It happens on FB all the time. I owned one of his basses years ago and tried to contact him in the not too distant past about maybe getting something in the future and it got weird quick. It's too bad, the guy is a phenomenal builder and knows his stuff. Nothing but quality honestly.
This is the problem with not naming names. We get a third party summarized quote from the OP and hen someone mentions Certain. Now everyone thinks it's him, but I only see five Certain basses in the classifieds, all by different sellers. If you're going to talk about a business, name names. Talkbass is full of amateurs and non-professionals pretending to be pros when they get behind a keyboard. You see it all the time. I know I'm an amateur.
I vote for wanting to know his name. Not only does he sound like a horrible person, I'd want to know to avoid him if I were to ever get a custom bass made. I've seen lots of posts on Talkbass about luthiers being rude and unprofessional, and it makes me extremely wary when it comes to working with one. I like feeling safe in a business transaction with the amount of money a custom bass costs, so naming names is extremely good for that.
Plus, I don't think there's anything wrong with calling someone out publicly. It sounds distasteful, but plenty of awful companies have gone down in the past because the customers made internal problems visible to everyone else, and I think that's important to the way business works, with professional attitudes and passion in the job. I would want to be able to avoid someone who apparently doesn't even like their job so much that they complain about receiving multiple orders from the same person.
Plus, I don't think there's anything wrong with calling someone out publicly. It sounds distasteful, but plenty of awful companies have gone down in the past because the customers made internal problems visible to everyone else, and I think that's important to the way business works, with professional attitudes and passion in the job. I would want to be able to avoid someone who apparently doesn't even like their job so much that they complain about receiving multiple orders from the same person.
that's insane that the guy would get all wierd. I have a business and sometimes my past clients call me for another remodel job. For me, that's the greatest day in the world because it's an indication that my hard work paid off and will continue to do so.
With a past customer, I set up an appointment immediately to go check out the new job but I also go over the old one with a fine tooth comb just to make sure everything is perfect.
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I agree that the guy definitely has a bad business model or at least he has the wrong attitude about people buying and selling basses. He seems like a typical "glass is half empty" person. If I was in his place I would look at the fact that someone is buying and selling his basses as an opportunity to grow the business. The fact that more people are playing his instruments, even though they are buying them used, is an opportunity for potential new customers. If they like one that they purchased used, there is a chance that some of those people might contact him and buy one new.
I do agree with his point that TB is largely made up of non-professional bassists, weekend warriors and hobbyists. It's not necessarily an insult to anyone. The fact is that most musicians are not making a living playing music but are playing because they enjoy it.
I do agree with his point that TB is largely made up of non-professional bassists, weekend warriors and hobbyists. It's not necessarily an insult to anyone. The fact is that most musicians are not making a living playing music but are playing because they enjoy it.
Op: None of your business. You did disrespect him. Tb is not the be all end all of the bass world. In fact most people I encounter outside of here who are aware of its existence do not like the forum or the members.
okcrum
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He's right on that point. There was a recent poll here that was running something like 85-90% non-pro last time I looked.
