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Making Peace with My Mediocrity

anecdotal but funny....

My dads best friend plays guitar, I would imagine 50 years now as he started pretty young and they are in their late 60s.... absolute worst guitar player I've ever met. I would consider myself better and my 6 string knowledge is very surface level. I've never seen someone happier than him when he plugs in his Dan Armstrong and starts wailing away. Thats what its all about. Internal expression.
 
anecdotal but funny....

My dads best friend plays guitar, I would imagine 50 years now as he started pretty young and they are in their late 60s.... absolute worst guitar player I've ever met. I would consider myself better and my 6 string knowledge is very surface level. I've never seen someone happier than him when he plugs in his Dan Armstrong and starts wailing away. Thats what its all about. Internal expression.
That’s really a nice story. It is great to truly be happy playing whether you a great player or a hot mess.
 
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Doc, play for the love.Period.
The thing that really made me realize my limitations was playing Jaco’s River People, and realizing that my tendency to not truly alternate my fingers, but to play two notes with one finger then two notes with other meant that I could get to 75% of Jaco’s tempo, but I feel apart beyond that. My teacher said he knew no one who loves bass more than me, but I have never gotten where I want to be. I do not really have the time to just remake myself the way a young player could because I have a family and career. I think I could get up to two hours a day, but who knows?

I am in the same boat. The one thing about Jaco is that he was so amazing the first time I heard him play that I KNEW I’ll never be as good as him. I was like either sell all my crap or just decide that I want to have my own voice like him and talent be damned. Of course I’m nowhere near as good but the best take away for me is to sound like me not anybody else. The thing about Jaco is the more you listen to him is the more you realize he is better than you think. I digress. Play for the love. Play for yourself and especially others if you can. Call it a day.
 
For me, it is sad that to realize that as much as I love the bass, I will never be as good at it as I would like to be. I still love it after realizing my limitations, but it is still bittersweet.
This is my feelings also. At 62 I feel like I suck, but when jamming with others, that feeling disappears and I just enjoy playing. Heck, at least you can slap. For some reason I just can't get it. Best to just enjoy playing and forget about the rest.
 
Doc, play for the love.Period.


I am in the same boat. The one thing about Jaco is that he was so amazing the first time I heard him play that I KNEW I’ll never be as good as him. I was like either sell all my crap or just decide that I want to have my own voice like him and talent be damned. Of course I’m nowhere near as good but the best take away for me is to sound like me not anybody else. The thing about Jaco is the more you listen to him is the more you realize he is better than you think. I digress. Play for the love. Play for yourself and especially others if you can. Call it a day.

Actually what you said about Jaco is true of top level players in general: they are better than you think. Listening to Lee Sklar and Guy Pratt recreate Pop songs they recorded during lockdown is eye-opening. It is one more thing that made me realize my mediocrity.
 
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I was not born "with it". I have to work real hard at being mediocre. Even though I have been playing in bands since 1969 I still have a hard time singing while playing bass. I can do it and granted some songs are easier than others but it is hard for me.

Remembering songs (sometimes words, sometimes bass lines) is getting real hard. I should be a walking music encyclopedia with all the years playing rock, blues, country and such. But some one will call out an old and real easy CCR song that I playing 100 times years ago and I now have to watch the guitar player a bit. I no longer care about scales and things that make me happy in the practice room (almost said bedroom but I know how some of you would interpret that). I strive to get thru songs both physically and mentally.

I agreed to play around the campfire with a friend that I was in bands with as a teen and young adult. When it was my turn I played simple songs. When it was his turn to sing he played songs full of changes and was upset because I couldn't get it in three seconds.

My longest playing band was just playing easy, likable, fun songs that's is all I need. But I too look back and wonder what would have happened if I had done the school band thing. What if I took guitar and piano amore seriously? What if I would have spent more time on vocal practice? I have always been a bit lazy when it comes to that stuff now and do have some regret but it is way too late for that.

At this age I just try to love what little comes out of me musically. I can still hold my own and drive a band thru a night of songs. But age does take a physical toll on musicians. I can't move as fast and can hardly hold a pick. I am exploring more fretless bass and have a plan to get into bluegrass once I retire (I am months away). Maybe something like Seasick Steve as well. I can play Mando and Banjo enough to have some fun like that.

Just trying to be happy with what I have and who I am at in my mid 60's.
 
From one Doc to another. I’m one of those guys who hasn’t been alive as long as you’ve been playing. ;) I hope when I’m sixty I’m still playing as much as you do, working on improving my craft like you do, and sharing as much helpful, thoughtful content with the bass community as you consistently do. :thumbsup:

Thank you.:)
 
I have been playing bass longer than many who post here have been alive. For years, I was mainly self taught, and was mostly a bedroom bassist. I have played in bands, and I have gigged a little. Mostly, I have played with choirs since the 1990’s. About five years ago, I started taking lessons, and I have really been consistent for the last three years. I can see the improvement, but it has become obvious to me that I have some ingrained habits that are very hard to stop at sixty. To be blunt, I do not think I will ever come close to what I might have been if I had started serious study at least thirty years ago. Ideally, I should have stuck to string bass in college. That would have given me a very strong foundation. I do not plan to quit lessons or serious practice. I just know that it is more for personal enrichment at this point in life.:)


Lots of thoughts on this...

First, Im more or less in the same situation in terms of coming to grips with the level of my skillset. I play in some bands, and a lot of people think I play well, but I know otherwise. I've gotten better at some things since starting double bass studies and jazz studies, but at the end of the day Im mediocre/borderline competent. I was reminded of this fact every time I'd go up to NYC to do combo stuff with the NYJA.

At 52, considering the amount of time I've put into it I should be a lot better than I am. Looking back over my life there are lots of reasons for not being able to play like i would want to. Lack of talent is there for sure, as I really had to work hard to get to the level Im at now.

However, Oftentimes our ability to not do something well isn't entirely our own fault. Environmental issues and geography play a large role in how we develop skillsets..Growing up, I was STRONGLY discouraged to not play, and even practicing unplugged caused problems for me. Than there was the musical crowd i ran with...Most were jammers. People more interested in making noise than playing any form of cohesive, intelligent music. I still run into that to this day. In my immediate area most people are just interested in jamming out as opposed to getting together to work stuff out and play them correctly.

Lastly there were instructors I spent years with that looking back just weren't very good instructors. I wasted a lot of time with some people and it's only within the past year that I found someone who has an approach to teaching an instrument that is logical and makes sense.

Frankly at this stage of the game music is more about personal enrichment for me..The shutdown has taught me that I enjoy just simply sitting down and working off a chart and playing through it, or just sitting down and making noise with my pedals.

As far as the whole " being mediocre " thing goes, my thoughts on that are that the overwhelming vast majority of musicians playing out in any particular local scene are largely mediocre.
 
I applaud your sentiment but it does make me smile a little. I believe it's an artist's duty to search for their own voice and relate articulately what they feel about life with that voice. This does not necessitate playing a million notes in one bar or having an encyclopaedic knowledge of chord progressions (though that can really help). It necessitates your individuality and honesty. Both of which you clearly have in spades.
 
I applaud your sentiment but it does make me smile a little. I believe it's an artist's duty to search for their own voice and relate articulately what they feel about life with that voice. This does not necessitate playing a million notes in one bar or having an encyclopaedic knowledge of chord progressions (though that can really help). It necessitates your individuality and honesty. Both of which you clearly have in spades.

I don’t think my music is especially deep. More than anything else, I enjoy nailing the groove!
 
I don’t think my music is especially deep. More than anything else, I enjoy nailing the groove!
And if the world hears that when you play... you've done your job! I'm talking about being honest, not "deep". How many times have you heard the phrase "it's not what you know it's how you put it together". I'm no Domingo, or Pastorious or Olivier but I have tried all my life to do what I do honestly and that has led to me singing leads in operas at the Royal Opera house, playing bass in West End hit musicals (on stage) and holding centre stage in television soap operas. Yes, there's A LOT of luck involved in that as with most things in life but when that luck arrives I think what's important is what you have to say not how cleverly you say it... IMHO! Tx
 
I have been playing bass longer than many who post here have been alive. For years, I was mainly self taught, and was mostly a bedroom bassist. I have played in bands, and I have gigged a little. Mostly, I have played with choirs since the 1990’s. About five years ago, I started taking lessons, and I have really been consistent for the last three years. I can see the improvement, but it has become obvious to me that I have some ingrained habits that are very hard to stop at sixty. To be blunt, I do not think I will ever come close to what I might have been if I had started serious study at least thirty years ago. Ideally, I should have stuck to string bass in college. That would have given me a very strong foundation. I do not plan to quit lessons or serious practice. I just know that it is more for personal enrichment at this point in life.:)

Same feelings here at times but then again, we are all better at this today than yesterday. Having fun and learning something new is what's it's about.
 
anecdotal but funny....

My dads best friend plays guitar, I would imagine 50 years now as he started pretty young and they are in their late 60s.... absolute worst guitar player I've ever met. I would consider myself better and my 6 string knowledge is very surface level. I've never seen someone happier than him when he plugs in his Dan Armstrong and starts wailing away. Thats what its all about. Internal expression.

LOL.. My Dad is the same....

His quote is "i been playing for over 50 years"......

Like 2x a year tho.....lol
 
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LOL.. My Dad is the same....

His quote is "i been playing for over 50 years"......

Like 2x a year tho.....lol
Ditto here. My dad started me on guitar when I was around 8 or 9, and I'd listen to him play Otis Redding's Dock of the Bay and these two other unknown songs.
Four or five decades later, he still plays Dock of the Bay and those same two other songs. Nothing else. But at least he has those three songs down pat. :thumbsup:
 
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I have been playing bass longer than many who post here have been alive. For years, I was mainly self taught, and was mostly a bedroom bassist. I have played in bands, and I have gigged a little. Mostly, I have played with choirs since the 1990’s. About five years ago, I started taking lessons, and I have really been consistent for the last three years. I can see the improvement, but it has become obvious to me that I have some ingrained habits that are very hard to stop at sixty. To be blunt, I do not think I will ever come close to what I might have been if I had started serious study at least thirty years ago. Ideally, I should have stuck to string bass in college. That would have given me a very strong foundation. I do not plan to quit lessons or serious practice. I just know that it is more for personal enrichment at this point in life.:)
I totally understand where you're coming from. I had a similar thought a few years back regarding my mediocrity and 'what could have been'. Here's the thread...

Musings of an average bassist
 
LOL.. My Dad is the same....

His quote is "i been playing for over 50 years"......

Like 2x a year tho.....lol


I know a few guys like that...One used to show up with his gear and want to jam...I indulged him at first than would find an excuse to not do it. My time is short enough as it is and I prefer to not waste it like that. 20, even ten years ago I'd have been down for that, but if someone isn't interested in getting better than sorry, not wasting my time.
 
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Actually what you said about Jaco is true of top level players in general: they are better than you think. Listening to Lee Sklar and Guy Pratt recreate Pop songs they recorded during lockdown is eye-opening. It is one more thing that made me realize my mediocrity.
Agree totally!!!! Lee Sklar!!!! He is the man...I am following him on YouTube. Fantastic soul-as in just a Great guy, never mind he is way better than us mortals!!!! Guy Pratt too...
 
One last thought on mediocrity: A neighbor who played guitar came by to jam with me about a year ago. He was invited by my neighbor drummer. He was absolutely terrible and not in tune at all. Afterwards I was I was ticked off with my friend to waste my time playing with him. Because he was that bad! After initially judging him, the guy told me about a work injury in which 2 ton rock crushed his brain. I never felt more terrible in my life for judging him. Despite his lack of talent, he was so passionate and had a notebook full of songs that he wrote. More power to him for doing what he loves and now I understand.